I didn't respond to them because it should be obvious to most.
Yes there were videos of people cheering the 9-11 bombings. But to paint all Arabs or Muslims with the same brush because the actions of a small group out of 1 billion people is pretty ignorant.
But your doing the same thing by doing what your doing.
There's no side of light in this conflict at all. The human cost is wrong. but to sit there and simply paint the Israeli's as the big evil and throwing out terms the terms that you do, just shows that your bound and determined to paint one side as the great evil in the world.
The human tragedy and civilian deaths is absolutely tragic.
But its one sided because of a technology gap, in terms of intent if even a portion of those rocket attacks would have slipped through we would be talking about similar Israeli civilian casualties.
Hamas is doing as much to inflict civilian casualties on their own side as the Israeli's are, they're just more competent at putting their people in harms way.
Personally I don't see any other solution without the removal of Hamas from the equation, or at the very least the destruction of their military wing which is part and parcel with their government and their ability to launch rockets and arm these lunatics.
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That video is so sad. And Israel is a democracy? That poor guy in the store could do nothing and did nothing wrong other than be black. Truly disgusting. If Israel is what you consider a democracy then I don't wanna be democratic.
Go back and read your quotes (even this one), if you can't see what's wrong with what you said then it proves my point. I'm not arguing with a racist like you.
You know you certainly throw out terms like racist to other members of this board very easily. Its hard for members to show any respect for you, when you don't seem to want to show any common courtesy to others.
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I'm not painting Israelis with the same brush. But between Ayalet's remarks last week and Feiglin's "final solution" plan today, it's hard to see Israel as the beacon of what is right in the Middle East that they proclaim themselves to be. Again, these two are Israeli politicians, not random Israelis on the street or members of a terrorist organization.
The video I posted, while the protesters are truly vile human beings, the politicians in the video that support this madness are even more disgusting.
I'm sure there are good Israelis out there (see Gideon Levy and the like), but there's a certain madness that has taken over Israeli society that even the politicians are feuling.
Yes those idiots in their government are vile as are their protestors, but I'm yet to see any of their policies even being seriously debated by the government in place, so your painting fringe politicians and fringe members of society as part of your canvas of the whole people and the whole body politic, at least that's what it feels like.
Again, the whole Hamas government charter talks about the extermination of the state of Israel, they have just as many groups clamoring to destroy people that they don't see as part of their societal wisdom.
If your going to paint one side paint to the other side as well, that's the only way that you can get a clear picture of this issue.
Sure and I don't necessarily disagree with you CC.
If either side could have their way, they would wipe the other side off the face of the earth. It's just one side has the capability to do it and they're inching towards that every day. That's what makes them so dangerous.
That video is so sad. And Israel is a democracy? That poor guy in the store could do nothing and did nothing wrong other than be black. Truly disgusting. If Israel is ehat you consider a democracy then I don't wanna be democratic.
Jesus christ how is that representative in any way of the whole society. I can pull up video of neo nazi rallies in this country and decry that Canada is a horrible place filled with horrible people.
I can pull of video examples of racist idiots in the states and use it to paint their whole society or do the same with Germany or anything else.
The minute that you apply a group of idiots to a whole society to make your point you come across as foolish.
Am I saddened by that video? Absolutely there are horrible people every where. But to point to that video and say that Israeli's are genocidal xenophobic as a country is idiotic.
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Jesus christ how is that representative in any way of the whole society. I can pull up video of neo nazi rallies in this country and decry that Canada is a horrible place filled with horrible people.
I can pull of video examples of racist idiots in the states and use it to paint their whole society or do the same with Germany or anything else.
The minute that you apply a group of idiots to a whole society to make your point you come across as foolish.
Am I saddened by that video? Absolutely there are horrible people every where. But to point to that video and say that Israeli's are genocidal xenophobic as a country is idiotic.
Did you watch the video? It wasn't just the people it was the government as well.
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How about commenting on Israel and its treatment of Blacks Captain Crunch. It would be nice to get your take on an Israeli issue which doesn't paint them in a good light. Instead of defending them all the time.
I challenge anybody to watch that video and defend Israel.
I don't like it, its a problem that's common anywhere that you go and it shows how far that we have to go as a human race.
I look at that video and those people are idiots, its simply that.
And your right it doesn't cast them in a good light at all.
I didn't like how Israel is dealing with what they call their illegal immigrants earlier this year.
Yes thank you I watched the video, and its deplorable, but again, I can certainly pull up videos of a lot of countries, and show the same thing.
Heck there are european countries that have actually had lightly veiled neo-nazi's or anti-immigrant zealots elected to their government.
The problem is more wide spread then this.
I said it before, neither side is on the side of light here, especially in terms of how they treat people that aren't their people.
I'm not sure I'm following you. The government and its policies are what we judge a society by. This why Hamas is deplorable and why Israel is deplorable.
The people in that video are elected racist xenophobic officials representing Israel. And the rallies and their message was despicable and the cheering that followed was sickening.
These are the people of Israel. How can they claim to be a democracy when their people act and treat people like that and are supported by their government?
You said my point was foolish while making a foolish point yourself. If there are these type of people in America as you stated they definitely aren't supported by elected officials in the government.
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I never once said all muslims are uncivilized, I just pointed out a few of the worlds most uncivilized acts happen to be practiced by muslims and nobody else.
If you want to debate this...go ahead and try.
Wow, dramatic stuff. But I gotta admit it would make a great TV show.
"This week on The World's Most Uncivilized Acts, we briefly turn our cameras away from the Muslim world and focus on a farmer's field in the Ukraine"
Unfortunately ambulances make very good weapons carriers, and have been used as such, it's a win win for Hamas, Israel looks terrible if they blow up the wrong ambulance and kill civilians so that means they are harder to target and so easier to use to move weapons around.
Unfortunately ambulances make very good weapons carriers, and have been used as such, it's a win win for Hamas, Israel looks terrible if they blow up the wrong ambulance and kill civilians so that means they are harder to target and so easier to use to move weapons around.
Must be nice to be in the israeli position, you can hit anything and claim that there were weapons inside.
Must be nice to be in the israeli position, you can hit anything and claim that there were weapons inside.
Or must suck to be in the Israeli position, fighting a war where you are never certain you are hitting a target or targeting civilians, imagine the moral dilemma going through these soldiers heads every day in the conflict.
Must be nice to be in the israeli position, you can hit anything and claim that there were weapons inside.
Must be nice to put weapons in ambulances and claim victim when a real one gets hit. I'm not saying it's right by Israel, in fact it's reprehensible. But don't pretend Hamas doesn't know exactly what they are doing. Your one sidedness is a bit too facile
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Must be nice to be in the israeli position, you can hit anything and claim that there were weapons inside.
Im sure its like living in utopia when surrounded in every direction by people that want to obliterate you and your people off the face of the earth because of what you believe in. Sounds like a real dang good time and place to be.
Well, when you're an occupied resistance movement, sometimes you have to use whatever means at your disposal to resist occupation. I feel like most of the time, that fact is completely lost in the discussion. Like they COULD use armoured personnel carriers but instead try to get one over on the Israeli's by putting them in ambulances.
It's ugly, but, so is foreign occupation. Reality of the situation on the ground.
Well, when you're an occupied resistance movement, sometimes you have to use whatever means at your disposal to resist occupation. I feel like most of the time, that fact is completely lost in the discussion. Like they COULD use armoured personnel carriers but instead try to get one over on the Israeli's by putting them in ambulances.
It's ugly, but, so is foreign occupation. Reality of the situation on the ground.
At this point, they would be better off not using violence at all.
Hamas has zero prospect of accomplishing anything militarily. The only result is more dead people, mostly Palestinian.
