[News] Flames/Glencross looking at Extension

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Last season was the first time he missed a significant amount of time (44 games). Otherwise, he's missed 8, 15, 3 ,15, 8 games since 2008. Not Mr. Iron Man but hardly a huge concern for long-term injuries even at his age.

Shhh. He wants us to think for ourselves whatever that meant

[Oil Stain]

Glencross is a good player that wants to stay in Calgary. If the Flames are going to dig themselves out of their current hole they need more players like Glencross, not less.

Are the Flames really going to find a better UFA for cheaper on the open market?

I doubt it.

If that's the case then the logical thing to do is keep the guy around.

[Hackey]

It all depends on the contract. 4 million sure. If it gets to the 5 range then I think it's a concern. 15 games is still around 20% of the season. He's not getting any younger as well so drop in production and injury risk is definitely a concern if the deal is over 2-3 years. I don't see Glencross being around when were contending and I don't think he is so vital we should give him a contract that doesn't make sense now. You pay him 5 million then you set the bar high for others. Depending on what he's asking for he might have more value in a trade. Don't need Glencross being another Wideman. An average player making to much money for to long and has barely any trade value.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Calgary has to hit the floor and Engelland signing first doesn't put Glencross unreasonably low. Term is the issue. Glennie is a good team guy who steps up and drives team building events off ice while producing solidly while healthy. I don't see Hartley standing for the hot-cold Glencross with Brent's Alberta boy treatment extended to give him carte Blanche to take nights off. 3 yrs x 4

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I could see if he was a point per game player but he's not. Injury prone too isn't helping his stock with Some on this board...myself included. He disappears for stretches then is on fire for 4 games then disappears again. Too inconsistent for my liking.

Sean Monahan was pretty damned inconsistent at times last year too. Better dump the loser.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by AC

Curtis Glencross's PPG by season as a Flame:
08-09: 0.54
09-10: 0.49
10-11: 0.54
11-12: 0.72
12-13: 0.65
13-14: 0.63

Those are great numbers, especially at his $2.55M salary. I for one hope we extend him on a multiple year deal. You can't go full Oiler and dump every veteran and by all accounts Curtis has become a great team leader.

PPG is a cherry-picking stat. When a player shows a history of missing 10-30 games to injury, you have to expect that will continue in the future. Especially if he's on the wrong side of 30.

[AC]

I don't think the argument about his injuries is that valid. He's only had one season where he played less than 80% of the games in a season as a Flame.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by AC

I don't think the argument about his injuries is that valid. He's only had one season where he played less than 80% of the games in a season as a Flame.

It's almost as if CliffFletcher is cherry-picking a stat...

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

PPG is a cherry-picking stat. When a player shows a history of missing 10-30 games to injury, you have to expect that will continue in the future. Especially if he's on the wrong side of 30.

There isn't a history of missing anywhere near thirty games a season, unless you're cherry picking stats.

Since he's been a flame:
74 GP
67 GP
79 GP
67 GP
40 GP (lockout shortened season)
38 GP

Where's this history you speak of? One season?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Sean Monahan was pretty damned inconsistent at times last year too. Better dump the loser.

19 year old VS 31 year old (32 in December). Excellent comparison. One will likely improve over the next 5 years one will likely decline over the next 5 years.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

There isn't a history of missing anywhere near thirty games a season, unless you're cherry picking stats.

Since he's been a flame:
74 GP
67 GP
79 GP
67 GP
40 GP (lockout shortened season)
38 GP

Where's this history you speak of? One season?

You could look at like the only decently healthy season he's had was 5 years ago where he still missed 10% of the season. Since then he missed 20% of the season twice and 50% of the season once. Only "healthy" season in the past 5 years was the lockout season where he still missed 8 out of 48 games which likely could have been more if they played a full season.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I wouldn't mind them re-signing Glencross if he would just frickin' quit whining after every goddam whistle. I hate that so much about him.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

There isn't a history of missing anywhere near thirty games a season, unless you're cherry picking stats.

Since he's been a flame:
74 GP
67 GP
79 GP
67 GP
40 GP (lockout shortened season)
38 GP

Where's this history you speak of? One season?

He said 10-30 games a season which would average to about 20. If you add up his missed games over the past 5 years and don't even adjust for the lockout season he still missed an average of 17.6 games so technically he's pretty close.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hackey

He said 10-30 games a season which would average to about 20. If you add up his missed games over the past 5 years and don't even adjust for the lockout season he still missed an average of 17.6 games so technically he's pretty close.

That's pretty misleading. He's missed more than 15 once in his career. That average is misleading

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That's pretty misleading. He's missed more than 15 once in his career. That average is misleading

That's pretty misleading. He's missed 15 or more three out of last five seasons.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hackey

That's pretty misleading. He's missed 15 or more three out of last five seasons.

Haha. We're good. You be the Russians and I'll be the Ukrainians and we'll see who we can convince shot down the plane

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Hackey

That's pretty misleading. He's missed 15 or more three out of last five seasons.

He has missed 16 or more games once.

Thats pretty misleading.

[transplant99]

To bring this back on track somewhat though....

The Flames NEED vets around for at least the next 3 years when some of their own guys become vets themselves to a degree. Beyond Gio and Stajan there is no one else who wants to be in Calgary, has the offensive potential Glencross holds, is already a well respected leader within that room, and is so engrained into the Calgary culture that will sign here for what Glencoss will come in at.

[Hackey]

Like I said if the contract makes sense I'm all for signing him. There are definitely injury concerns though. His healthiest season was 5 years ago. His worst was last year. Averaged over the 5 years it's still close to 20 games a year. Should be a consideration. Engellend will bring leadership. Gio is still here. Stajan is still here. There are other vets beyond those guys. If he gets term and dollars I don't think it's worth it. He's taking away a spot from a young player. If he is injured again or production slows were stuck with him. 2-3 years sure. 4-5 unless at a discount no thanks.

[Yrebmi]

Any player suffers a season ending injury in the first half of a season is going to have a terrible average. Definition of skewed.

Pay him 5mil shorter term no NMC/NTC. If it benefits the team flip him with salary retained, but I am sure fine with keeping Glencross for another 3 too.