07-14-2014, 07:16 PM
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#701
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Lifetime Suspension
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07-14-2014, 07:18 PM
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#702
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Absolutely unthinkable pain this family must be going through right now. They have every ounce of my sympathy.
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07-14-2014, 07:23 PM
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#703
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Hell
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I hate this world sometimes! How the F can someone kill a child?
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07-14-2014, 07:47 PM
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#704
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Fantasy Island
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Awful.
And for all those "questions" about why a 5-year old would be left at his grandparents... Because kids love their grandparents? They (generally) love getting special time with grandparents, especially if said grandparents were soon to be moving away to another country, why wouldn't the boy have one more sleepover?
Or the mom and her son were over helping during/after the estate sale, Nathan fell asleep at some point, and she didn't want to wake him for the drive home and instead decided to leave him for the night.
Or the other two sons were sick and Nathan wasn't so they wanted him to have a night away from the germs.
Or, or, or... there are seriously a lot of plausible and totally rational explanations for why a grandchild would be having a sleepover with grandparents, regardless of the estate sale happening that day. I think pointing the finger of blame at the mom/parents is abhorrent and really, just seeking to find somewhere to place blame in effort to make ourselves as parents feel better (ie "I *never* would have left my 5-year old in that perfectly reasonable scenario!!"). Because leaving your kid at a grandparents is basically one of the safest things a parent can do. And having your child be in the wrong place wrong time at the murder of his grandparents is just completely unthinkable.
Last edited by Peanut; 07-14-2014 at 07:49 PM.
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07-14-2014, 08:01 PM
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#705
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IgiTang
Listen guys, I'm as saddened as everyone else by this tragedy and had been hoping for the best.
I hope whoever did this to a poor unsuspecting, innocent human being is brought to justice.
It makes me sick that there was any possible suffering for little Nathan who was clearly loved by many.
My intent wasn't to point fingers, defend the accused or blame the victims here.
I was simply and still am confused about how this all came about and I certainly hope answers to many questions come to light.
I will concede that my questions were poorly timed. However, I was having this discussion with co-workers and many had the same questions. So.. I don't feel I was as out of line as many of you are making me out to be.
I apologize to those I offended, and certainly regret the timing.
As I sat back and read the personal attacks towards me, I thought how you must be feeling and it would be unfair for me to judge you guys as a narrow minded emotionally unstable mob who can't see past their own immediate feelings
at the moment.
So don't worry, this colossal a$$h°°° will shut up.
Allow you guys to have your thanks parade. But more importantly than you guys and your hurt feelings...
I truly do wish this turned out different for the Liknes family and Nathan.
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Jesus christ, take your narcissistic garbage somewhere else.
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07-14-2014, 08:04 PM
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#706
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That was one of the worst apologies I've ever read.
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07-14-2014, 08:06 PM
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#707
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by oilers_fan
That was one of the worst apologies I've ever read.
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"I'm sorry......that you guys are such a**holes."
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07-14-2014, 08:07 PM
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#708
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#1 Goaltender
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Igitang, I don't have a problem with the timing of the questions. I just think your painting a situation in your head that may have no resemblance to reality, then questioning someone's actions not based on reality, but on a scenario you dreamed up.
I doubt you have any idea of the state of the Liknes home that night. And kids love sleepovers, and don't likely care about the state of the house regardless. So unless there are broken glass and used needles on the floor, your making way to big of a deal about this.
If Grandma and Grandpa wanted to have him over (because they love him), or if he wanted to stay over, there is nothing to be critical about. And if that is something you would question, then it says more about you own parental beliefs and judgment than anything.
2 facts.....
-the parents will feel horrible, even though they did nothing wrong.
-the only person who is responsible for this is the person who did it.
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07-14-2014, 08:07 PM
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#709
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Franchise Player
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haha wow
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07-14-2014, 08:18 PM
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#710
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IgiTang
Listen guys, I'm as saddened as everyone else by this tragedy and had been hoping for the best.
I hope whoever did this to a poor unsuspecting, innocent human being is brought to justice.
It makes me sick that there was any possible suffering for little Nathan who was clearly loved by many.
My intent wasn't to point fingers, defend the accused or blame the victims here.
I was simply and still am confused about how this all came about and I certainly hope answers to many questions come to light.
I will concede that my questions were poorly timed. However, I was having this discussion with co-workers and many had the same questions. So.. I don't feel I was as out of line as many of you are making me out to be.
I apologize to those I offended, and certainly regret the timing.
As I sat back and read the personal attacks towards me, I thought how you must be feeling and it would be unfair for me to judge you guys as a narrow minded emotionally unstable mob who can't see past their own immediate feelings
at the moment.
So don't worry, this colossal a$$h°°° will shut up.
Allow you guys to have your thanks parade. But more importantly than you guys and your hurt feelings...
I truly do wish this turned out different for the Liknes family and Nathan.
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Questioning things is fine, but you've got to realize the assumptions and subsequent questions you're coming up with are totally unfair and not realistic.
Asking why they left their child with the grandparents during an estate sale, and describing how you wouldn't have, in this one in a million scenario is like finding two parents that lost a child in a car accident and saying "Did they seriously transport their kid in a car? What were they thinking? I'm not blaming them, but I sure as hell wouldn't transport a kid in a car. These questions need to be asked".
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07-14-2014, 08:23 PM
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#711
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Scoring Winger
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R.I.P, this is absolutely devastating. My deepest condolences to family and friends.
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07-14-2014, 08:24 PM
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#712
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damn onions
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Well, this thread is almost ruined.
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07-14-2014, 08:29 PM
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#713
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IgiTang
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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You're one of those people that has to make everything about you, aren't you?
Thoughts and prayers to the family. Can't even imagine what this must be like.
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07-14-2014, 08:30 PM
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#714
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Well, this thread is almost ruined.
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By the guy who complained about people ruining the thread.
Is this irony?
Alanis has me all confused.
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07-14-2014, 08:49 PM
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#715
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07-14-2014, 08:59 PM
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#716
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Calgary
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Losing your child and parents at the same time would be devastating.
RIP.
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07-14-2014, 09:01 PM
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#717
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Moderation in all things...
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Its been an emotional day for everyone. IgiTang made his comments and apology, plenty of people have already commented on both, lets just move on and keep the discourse a little less personal.
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07-14-2014, 09:04 PM
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#718
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IgiTang
Take the bad business dealings, the bankruptcy and share holders losing their shirts and the day of a Estate Sale where hundreds of people are transitting your house... probably isnt the best day for a sleep over.
And do you go out of your way to put your 5 year old child in an environment with boxes and crap all over the place? I sure the hell dont and I can tell you, if theres boxes and such, my 5 year old is trying to climb all over them and see whats going on... Not sitting in the corner, staying quiet while we assess the days events...
Its not the childs job to "cope" its our job as parents to make resonable decisions that best protect our childrens safety.
No one does... But if the Grandparents had any idea that they had people gunning for them in any sort of way for financial retribution, then perhaps they are somewhat at fault for allowing the Grandson over. Purely speculation on my part. But possible.
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lirl you sound like a fool. the last time the mom saw them was 10 pm at night (so if the kid aws 5 he was probably going to bed late or had already fallen asleep) and she was back at 10 am the next morning - which would have been enough time for everyone to wake up, spend a bit of time together, and have some breakfast. so idk why you're so obsessed with the 'environment'. it sounds fine.
i'm sure the grandparents didn't know anyone was 'gunning for them'. having a financial problem doesn't mean you assume someone's thinking about coming to kill you. the idea that there is something off about these people letting their grandkid spend the night just because of a business problem is 100% stupid.
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07-14-2014, 09:06 PM
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#719
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One of the Nine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psicodude
Losing your child and parents at the same time would be devastating.
RIP.
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Damn. I didn't even think of that at all. I pretty much cared about the kid and only the kid, up until this post. I feel so bad for that family.
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07-14-2014, 09:23 PM
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#720
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Powerplay Quarterback
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In situations like this do the police usually reveal what evidence was used to charge the perpetrator? The Calgary Sun article mentioned that the police stated there is no hope that the grandparents and child are still alive and that, while there isn't one particular piece of evidence, everything as a whole points to Douglas Garland.
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