5-year-old, grandparents disappear from Calgary home

[Barbecue]

Mayor Nenshi's fb post

Naheed Nenshi
2 mins ·

I, like all Calgarians, am terribly saddened to learn about the murder charges that were laid today related to the missing persons investigation in our community. My heart goes out to the Liknes and O’Brien families, and I know that they will continue to have the support they need from all of us at this very difficult time. My thanks go to my colleagues at the Calgary Police Service and the women and men of the RCMP for their hard work on this investigation.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

If the murder charges are the only ones laid (no kidnapping/forceable confinement) is it fair to assume that the evidence of the murders all comes from the Liknes home?

Hard to imagine they could tie him to the murders only from the evidence in the home. I think they must have found evidence in his truck, and/or home

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Ne7en

huh??

Two Options:

A: User "YourMother" is full of it (and in that case I would request an immediate use of the banhammer).
B: User "YourMother" is not full of it and bodies have been found that are likely the remains of Nathan and his Grandparents but they have to go through a detailed identification process before they can be officially confirmed.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Two Options:

A: User "YourMother" is full of it (and in that case I would request an immediate use of the banhammer).
B: User "YourMother" is not full of it and bodies have been found that are likely the remains of Nathan and his Grandparents but they have to go through a detailed identification process before they can be officially confirmed.

C: It was a typo.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I can only imagine how the parents of poor Nathan feel at this moment... Leaving their child with his Grandparents for a sleep over..

What im curious to know is, if the grandparents had just finished an "estate sale" trying to sell off their possessions, what is a child, who isnt theirs, doing staying over for the night or being there in the first place?

Im not putting blame on anyone... Im just trying to imagine myself in that situation before the crime took place.

Your parents are hitting rock bottom, they are selling all their stuff, you know of some pretty hard times for them and you drop your kid off to them the night of the estate sale... What would go through my mind thinking this was a good idea in the first place?...

None the less, its a terrible tragedy. Its a damn shame what happened to that young man. RIP Nathan. You are the one in all of this who was truly innnocent.

Let's blame the victims, shall we? Because that's always helpful. NO ONE deserved to die in this situation - NO ONE. Obviously, and most especially not Nathan, but his grandparents did not deserve to die. Your comments are just.........hayzeus christos.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Hard to imagine they could tie him to the murders only from the evidence in the home. I think they must have found evidence in his truck, and/or home

Yes - I wasn't clear.
I meant would it be safe to assume the police believe they were murdered in the home?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I believe they were moving to Edmonton/Mexico? If that was the case then why wouldn't you want your kid to see Grandma and Grandpa, since visits could be few and far between.

Sure... Have your Grandparents come see the kid.

Without derailing the thread too much or implying anything im not intending on... I just dont see why you would want to put your child in that environment in the first place. ANYTHING could go wrong. Stuff scattered around the house, Grandparents trying to assess, stresses of sales made or not made... Anything... A murderer being that last thing anyone would think of. But there are many things that would make me think thats a bad idea in the very first place.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

What im curious to know is, if the grandparents had just finished an "estate sale" trying to sell off their possessions, what is a child, who isnt theirs, doing staying over for the night or being there in the first place?

I saw a really sickening post on Twitter from someone who claimed they knew the circumstances.

Said that the Grandfather and Garland had fought a few days previously and that he was concerned about safety. Had the grandson stay over as "insurance" that if Garland came back, the situation wouldn't escalate. Essentially, the little boy was there to protect him from anything bad happening since who would hurt a little kid or do something to him while he was in the house.

Personally, I have a hard time fathoming that situation because what Grandparent would use their grandchild as a human shield of sorts? I'm not a grandparent, in fact I'm still a rather new parent, but I can't see what thought process you'd have to use a small child to protect yourself if you thought your personal safety was in danger.

I truly hope that's just BS speculation, however how weird this case has been and how odd the circumstances are for the child being there, it does offer one explanation. Sickening as it is.

[Ne7en]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Two Options:

A: User "YourMother" is full of it (and in that case I would request an immediate use of the banhammer).
B: User "YourMother" is not full of it and bodies have been found that are likely the remains of Nathan and his Grandparents but they have to go through a detailed identification process before they can be officially confirmed.

Would the police keep that quiet? Or would they say it just as you have. Bodies found but no confirmation until a detailed identification process has been done. Similar to how they are handling the "arrested person" announcement.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I can only imagine how the parents of poor Nathan feel at this moment... Leaving their child with his Grandparents for a sleep over..

What im curious to know is, if the grandparents had just finished an "estate sale" trying to sell off their possessions, what is a child, who isnt theirs, doing staying over for the night or being there in the first place?

Im not putting blame on anyone... Im just trying to imagine myself in that situation before the crime took place.

Your parents are hitting rock bottom, they are selling all their stuff, you know of some pretty hard times for them and you drop your kid off to them the night of the estate sale... What would go through my mind thinking this was a good idea in the first place?...

None the less, its a terrible tragedy. Its a damn shame what happened to that young man. RIP Nathan. You are the one in all of this who was truly innnocent.

Originally Posted by Barbecue

Not to mention if at least one of the grandparent knew they were mixed up with the wrong crowd and willing had Nathan over. Why put your grandson in that kind of danger?

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I believe they were moving to Edmonton/Mexico? If that was the case then why wouldn't you want your kid to see Grandma and Grandpa, since visits could be few and far between.

I'm with Hockeyguy15; I'm sure the parents were well aware that the Grandparents had some business issues, seeing as the grandfathers most recent business had just gone upside down, and they were likely packing up to get away and start over fresh, by taking some time in Mexico then moving to Edmonton. That's not something I would personally hold against my own parents, and certainly wouldn't keep their granchildren from them, seeing as by all reports, the Grandparents had great relationships with the grandchild. They likely wanted to see their grandson before leaving for a while, I'm sure no one involved had any thought that an ex business partner was planning on showing up to murder them.

Such an unbelievably sad story, RIP Mr. and Mrs. Liknes, and most of all, little Nathan, I can't imagine the pain of losing a child, and know, I for one will be hugging my own 4 and a half year old son a little tighter tonight.

[Knut]

@Drury18 wow.. that is some crazy speculation. Likely just someone guessing.

[nik-]

lets not go full ###### on the speculation guys

[Madman]

Chief Hanson also said they'd be laying charges against another person this afternoon in relation to the case.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Sure... Have your Grandparents come see the kid.

Without derailing the thread too much or implying anything im not intending on... I just dont see why you would want to put your child in that environment in the first place. ANYTHING could go wrong. Stuff scattered around the house, Grandparents trying to assess, stresses of sales made or not made... Anything... A murderer being that last thing anyone would think of. But there are many things that would make me think thats a bad idea in the very first place.

This child was 5 years old. That age child is able to cope very well with a few boxes or things not in their right place.

There is nothing untoward about this grandchild having a sleep over with the grandparents.

Lots of business dealings go bad.

Lots of businesses end up in bankruptcy.

How many times do you hear that people who are involved with such businesses get killed?

Unless there was more to the "business dealings gone bad" which we don't entirely know at this point, to point the fingers at the parents leaving their child with the grandparents is just plain mean.

[CedarMeter]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Two Options:

A: User "YourMother" is full of it (and in that case I would request an immediate use of the banhammer).
B: User "YourMother" is not full of it and bodies have been found that are likely the remains of Nathan and his Grandparents but they have to go through a detailed identification process before they can be officially confirmed.

Wasn't Ryan Lanes body found months before the police confirmed it to the media?

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Madman

Chief Hanson also said they'd be laying charges against another person this afternoon in relation to the case.

When ?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Madman

Chief Hanson also said they'd be laying charges against another person this afternoon in relation to the case.

Not two, just one person to be charged.
He stated that clearly

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Madman

Chief Hanson also said they'd be laying charges against another person this afternoon in relation to the case.

Uh what? I was pretty sure he twice answered that there wasn't another person.

[Minnie]

Madman, I missed that. Could you please link that comment? I would appreciate it. Or at least give me an idea of where in the press conference he mentioned that. Thank you.

[Northendzone]

i would imagine that nathan parents are absolutel racked with guilt over why did they let him sleep over that night........i know i would......

i'd assume that police are being tightlipped about everything to ensure that no mistakes are made and this guy gets off on a technicality.......

horrible ending to this story.......my thought go mout to the the family as they deal with this......