07-08-2014, 01:44 PM
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First Line Centre
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Paul Byron is going to arbitration?!?!?! WHAT?!
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07-08-2014, 02:04 PM
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#282
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Treliving never once confirmed that they didn't qualify Byron because of arbitration, at least if that's the interview I heard. Big difference.
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Listen to this interview. He says it here (about 15 minutes in): http://pmd.fan960.com/audio_on_deman...-Interview.mp3
"Paul had a tremendous arbitration case that we weren't prepared to, at this particular time, take on."
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07-08-2014, 02:05 PM
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#283
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Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce
Ha - not sure why I, and all of the rest of us, keep beating this thing - but here I go again anyway.
If the Flames obviously wanted to keep Byron, they would have qualified him - and not risked losing him to free agency or alienating him by not qualifying. They obviously wanted to keep Colborne - and so they qualified him, at the risk of the arbitration process.
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LOL you and me both...
I don't think there was much interest in Byron...and the Flames thought the same thing, that's why they didn't qualify him.
I don't think it was a slam dunk arbitration case for Byron either - if he was such a steal, he could have signed for more, on a one way contract, with another team.
At the same time, its a cheap deal for a decent player that doesn't hurt calgary longterm.
Byron was a 4 liner on the fourth worst team in the NHL...really nothing to see here...
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07-08-2014, 02:23 PM
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#284
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Originally Posted by flamesfever
I think it's a reflection of how disappointed many of the CP fan base felt about the matter.
The thing that bothered me the most was a new GM, who hadn't really seen Byron's play, and who was probably heavily influenced by Burke's emphasis about getting bigger as a team, was responsible for the decision. It kind of reminded me of the situation when Martin St. Louis was let go after a management change...not that I'm comparing the two players.
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I am sure Treliving had seen plenty of Byron's play while the Asst. GM in Phoenix as that would be part of his job. Plus, there is video of every single Flames game and likely a video of just Byron that the video guy can put together for Treliving as well that he would want prior to FA and in considering whether to go to arbitration or not.
Plus, every other GM had a chance to sign Byron and did not and it is pretty tough to imagine that not a single scout, GM, coach, Asst. Gm etc. in the league hadn't seen enough of Byron to get a decent read on him.
Unles Byron improves by insane leaps and bounds this has nothing similiar to the Martin St. Louis case as at least MSL had shown some top end offensive talent in the AHL at some point. Byron is pretty okay in his time in the AHL.
Trying to pin this on some made up "Burke mandate to get bigger" is BS. It is a simple case of a borderline (at best) NHLer getting a one way deal over a two way deal. Byron wasn't not qualified because he is small but because he is a dime a dozen and losing him doesn't really hurt the Flames.
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07-08-2014, 03:28 PM
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#285
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Read Only
I am sure Treliving had seen plenty of Byron's play while the Asst. GM in Phoenix as that would be part of his job. Plus, there is video of every single Flames game and likely a video of just Byron that the video guy can put together for Treliving as well that he would want prior to FA and in considering whether to go to arbitration or not.
Plus, every other GM had a chance to sign Byron and did not and it is pretty tough to imagine that not a single scout, GM, coach, Asst. Gm etc. in the league hadn't seen enough of Byron to get a decent read on him.
Unles Byron improves by insane leaps and bounds this has nothing similiar to the Martin St. Louis case as at least MSL had shown some top end offensive talent in the AHL at some point. Byron is pretty okay in his time in the AHL.
Trying to pin this on some made up "Burke mandate to get bigger" is BS. It is a simple case of a borderline (at best) NHLer getting a one way deal over a two way deal. Byron wasn't not qualified because he is small but because he is a dime a dozen and losing him doesn't really hurt the Flames.
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I don't think watching a video of Paul would have the same impact as watching him game in and game out during the year.
The Flames were willing to take the chance that he wouldn't get picked up by another team, but they didn't know this at the time.
If Paul is a "dime a dozen", why did he have such a tremendous arbitration case?
I think Paul's stats, particularly his +/- would suggest his absence would lessen the team.
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07-08-2014, 03:43 PM
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#286
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Sounds like we should just have a mock arbitration case to settle this once and for all. Troutman?
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07-08-2014, 03:53 PM
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#287
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Who said he had a tremendous case?
People, including the Flames, were concerned he had a strong case to get overpaid.
Plus/minus is a garbage stat that tells you nothing about a player.
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07-08-2014, 04:00 PM
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#288
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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This is the strangest, most unneccessary argument I've seen in recent times on Calgarypuck.
Are you guys bored or what?
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07-08-2014, 04:10 PM
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#289
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Read Only
Who said he had a tremendous case?
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Brad Treliving.
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07-08-2014, 05:00 PM
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#290
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Originally Posted by getbak
Brad Treliving.
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I missed that when did he say it?
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07-08-2014, 05:09 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Read Only
I missed that when did he say it?
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July 1, 2014.
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Originally Posted by getbak
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07-08-2014, 05:22 PM
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I heard him say strong never saw tremendous. Not sure it really means much.
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07-08-2014, 09:02 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Read Only
I heard him say strong never saw tremendous. Not sure it really means much.
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If you read getbak's post... that is a direct quote.
The Flames didn't want to go to arbitration with Byron so they didn't qualify him, with the knowledge that - although unlikely - he could sign elsewhere. They continued to pursue him and signed him to a 1-year, 1-way contract at $600k.
I'm not sure why there is such debate about this. It's pretty simple.
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07-08-2014, 09:03 PM
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#295
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nehkara
This is the strangest, most unneccessary argument I've seen in recent times on Calgarypuck.
Are you guys bored or what?
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Welcome to summer, no hockey new, and nothing useful said.
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07-08-2014, 09:06 PM
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#296
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Originally Posted by Completely
Welcome to summer, no hockey new, and nothing useful said.
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Yeah, just be thankful the Engelland contract discussion has died down.
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07-08-2014, 09:43 PM
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#297
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Read Only
I heard him say strong never saw tremendous. Not sure it really means much.
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What difference does it make if he said strong or tremendous. The point would remain the same. Why are you arguing useless garbage points that mean nothing?
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07-08-2014, 09:50 PM
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#298
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this is getting as silly as the "Paul Byron is a darkhorse for the Calder Trophy" thread!
comedy gold in that one...
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07-08-2014, 10:07 PM
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#299
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Crash and Bang Winger
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So i hear Byrons gonna be the 13th forward. Nice and comfy chairs up in the press box.
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07-08-2014, 10:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nehkara
If you read getbak's post... that is a direct quote.
The Flames didn't want to go to arbitration with Byron so they didn't qualify him, with the knowledge that - although unlikely - he could sign elsewhere. They continued to pursue him and signed him to a 1-year, 1-way contract at $600k.
I'm not sure why there is such debate about this. It's pretty simple.
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I don't think I debated any of that an have already stated that in the thread.
I was pointing out to flamesfever that because Byron is a marginal player that is why the Flames were fine to skip qualifying and taking the "risk" that he would sign elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle
What difference does it make if he said strong or tremendous. The point would remain the same. Why are you arguing useless garbage points that mean nothing?
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It makes no difference to me which is why I said "not sure that means much."
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