[Trade] Kesler + 3rd round to Anaheim for Bonino, Sbisa, 24th OA + 3rd round

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Can you honestly say that the Canucks are a better team after the trade? If you can't it's a bad deal unless they get a gem with the 24th pick (doubtful) as that pick and #6 won't get it done for the 1st overall pick.

Indicates that Vancouver is 're-tooling.'

Trading an ageing and injured Kesler for younger players and magic beans.

[Rhettzky]

How many trades like this ever turn out good for the team trading for all the pieces? Team who gets the best player always wins the trade in my opinion.

[Ashasx]

please don't trade up vancouver

[saillias]

Why is it a problem if Vancouver trades up? Either way, we are sitting pretty at 4. It's not like they swipe our pick or something on the way up.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Sweet deal for Vancouver. Another great reason for me to continue to hate the Ducks!

[puckedoff]

I think VAN is going to trade up to 1st overall now.

They can take Ekblad if they trade Garrison (+6) for #1, or take a center to replace kesler if they have to trade another roster forward for #1.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

If Sbisa can get and stay healthy, this is a good deal for Van. Bonino had a break out year, and was great in the playoffs. A top 4 pairing guy, a top 6 forward and a 1st is a fair return for an over the hill, broken down Kesler, who may never hit 50 pts again.

29 is over the hill?...Bonino is 26 and his "break out" year was under 50 points. Vancouver couldn't score to save their lives last year. I hate Kesler but he is gonna have a monster year on that team

[Ashasx]

Can a late 1st plus the 6th really move them up to 1st overall?

Certainly we could offer more?

[Galakanokis]

Decent trade for both sides. Kesler adds something that Anaheim needed with his overall strong play and defensive presence and they didn't really lose anything off the roster that Kesler doesn't replace.

Bonino and the 24th is a decent if not good return for Vancouver. Don't think much of Sibsa anymore but he can play at this level. Doesn't really change anything for Van unless they move a D man (rumored) for more forward depth.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know, it seems like a fairly even trade for right now.

I guess... I'd say it's a bit more favourable to Anaheim, as a result of Kesler narrowing the field of offers.

This is an obvious "it depends" team. If Kesler is a 30 goal, 60 point defensively responsible 2C in Anaheim, they win. If he is in decline for real, they might lose, depending on what they just gave up.

• Sbisa could be an absolute anchor. If he is what he was last year, he's not worth 2.1M. He's not worth 1.5M, even. The problem is that you can't determine that because he's had a horrible run of injuries. Maybe he can bounce back, and if he can, this is an important piece. If not, it's a dump of a bad contract by Murray.
• Bonino's 26 and is apparently a bit of a late bloomer. He could develop into a consistent 50 point scorer. However, his PDO last year was 1027, meaning it's just as likely that last season was the best he ever has. Even if so, he's a good deal at 1.9 until 2018 (because at worst he's a good third liner), but that's not what you trade a former Selke winner who's under 30 for.
• As for the 24th pick it depends what they do with it. I have a bunch of guys I like in that range but it's a total crapshoot as it always is. If it's part of a package to get the #1, different story.

So basically no one has any idea who won this trade and probably won't for a bit... which isn't too surprising, because that's the case with a lot of trades. What's special about this one is that it's pretty likely that someone will end up losing it spectacularly. Of the two, it's more likely that it's the Canucks. Sbisa might completely bomb, Bonino might end up being a depth player and the 24th pick is as likely to turn into nothing as something. Even if Kesler is a disappointment that would be a disaster for Vancouver. Kind of reminds you of Phaneuf to Toronto... alright, not quite THAT bad.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Can you honestly say that the Canucks are a better team after the trade? If you can't it's a bad deal unless they get a gem with the 24th pick (doubtful) as that pick and #6 won't get it done for the 1st overall pick.

Honestly I will not say better, but I will say not worse. It is impossible to pick a winner here, will have to see what the next step for Vancouver is. It seems like a good deal for Ana because they were weak up the middle and strong on the wing, well they have fixed that. Van has left themselves seriously weak at the center position, will have to see what they get for some of their defencemen.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Only idiots are melting down. This is a good deal for us. Not something that blows it out of the water, but it is a good deal.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Locke

Indicates that Vancouver is 're-tooling.'

Trading an ageing and injured Kesler for younger players and magic beans.

Kesler is 29 years old for crying out loud. He's got at least 7 more years left in the league. Backlund has had a more injury riddled career so I feel Flames fans are picking and choosing what constitutes old and injury prone.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Can you honestly say that the Canucks are a better team after the trade? If you can't it's a bad deal unless they get a gem with the 24th pick (doubtful) as that pick and #6 won't get it done for the 1st overall pick.

This specific trade was not done to "make the team better" in the short term. You don't trade a player like Kesler with the plan to make your team "better". You will obviously be worse off than you were because you will not get a player who is similar back (why would the team trade for him?) You trade a player like Kesler when it is time to change your team and aim for something different down the line. Whether it is better than its previous form depends on how that goes.

What the team got was cap space, more picks to either draft or make more moves with. That was the goal and the goal has been met while getting a player who can play for the team now (Bonino) and a player who could be something in two or three years (Sbisa).

[mile]

Bonino: 49 points, 16:13 TOI
Kesler: 43 points, 21:48 TOI

Kesler is the better player and more proven, but it isn't a huge downgrade by any means by getting Bonino who played anywhere in their top 9 all season.

As far as whether the Canucks are a better team after this deal is a different story. It isn't a huge win for Vancouver but I don't consider this a huge loss either.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree. Vancouver got good value for a player with a NMC and limited destinations. Bonino is a solid young center

3 years younger than Kesler

[devo22]

Originally Posted by saillias

Why is it a problem if Vancouver trades up?

well I personally just don't want to see Reinhart don a Canucks jersey

[Coach]

Thats a pretty good deal for both sides I think.

Anaheim had to do something to compete with LA. This will help. Man, California is scary.

Even the Sharks will likely get some good assets in return for whoever they end up trading and will probably still be a playoff squad.

[devo22]

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[The Swedish Flame]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Can a late 1st plus the 6th really move them up to 1st overall?

Certainly we could offer more?

Certainly could. Not sure about the want.