[Rumour] Boomer: Flames are kicking tires to trade up to #2. Draisaitl might be the target.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by ramizle

Conroy just said on the fan that they have a top 6

I hope he's just blowing smoke, because it seems like management has been preparing the fanbase for an off the board Ritchie pick at #4 for some time now.

Not that he isn't a fine player but I would be really disappointed if they took him at 4. And after all the heat the team took for the Jankowski reach I'm not sure they could get away with another one.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sven is much more valuable than Gagner. Gagner couldn't fetch a 2nd round pick.

There's no point in moving up if the player you want is Draisaitl.

If you think he goes top 3, just pick whoever is left from the top 4.

Gagner @ 4.8 M for 2 years has close to the value to the Oilers that Cammalleri has to the Flames. (ie he has none) If Buffalo or Florida wants a 5 M smaller forward they would simply sign Cammalleri or Mason Raymond.

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Originally Posted by logan_izer10

Everyone needs to stop making trade scenarios with Sven. Why the hell has everyone given up on him and want to trade him? I don't get it.

Crowded left wing small guy prospect pool, other teams may hold him in higher regard than the Flames (we don't know in what regard he's held), he hasn't exactly been lighting it up.

Also... Just becasue he's in a trade proposal doesn't mean you've given up on him and want to trade him, you have to give to get. Personally I think he's still going to be a decent player eventually, but maybe he can get you something better. If it was an easy decision no GM would ever be criticized for a bad trade.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Reinhart and likely Draisaitl will both play in the NHL next season.

Why send a guy that just had 100+ pts in 60ish games back into the junior leagues? They are both big, strong and smart enough to play NHL hockey now and it would be an absolute waste of time for them to go back to the WHL.

Neither of those develop at all in juniors again next year.

Reinhart needs to add some strength and get a bit quicker. Draisaitl needs to get a bit quicker too. But yeah, both could play right away. Depends who they go to IMO. I think Buffalo and EDM might be more likely to start their guy where I think the flames might be more apt to send the kid back to junior.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Gagner @ 4.8 M for 2 years has close to the value to the Oilers that Cammalleri has to the Flames. (ie he has none) If Buffalo or Florida wants a 5 M smaller forward they would simply sign Cammalleri or Mason Raymond.

McTavish - "Yeah but Sam scored 8 points in 1 game. How many times have those other guys done that?"

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

I'm in the camp that believes this was "leaked" to Dean intentionally. It may represent a few things.

1) The Flames actually do want Draisaitl and will move up to ensure that.
2) The Flames are poking the hornet's nest because they know somebody else might want Draisaitl. This "leak" may provide them with some extra information by who calls who and how urgently.
3) The Flames actually want to move up but are misrepresenting who they want.
4) The Flames do want Draisaitl but don't want to move up unless they have to, and hopefully this leak can help them figure out if it's necessary or not (e.g. by gauging Edmonton's reaction).

There's a lot of balls in the air right now. I have no doubt that someone did leak this to Dean, but the question is why. #1 is just too simplistic to be the likely scenario. Some or all of these could be the case.

5) Maybe the Flames don't want Draisaitl but are putting extra pressure on Edmonton to pick him rather than one of the Sams.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by logan_izer10

Everyone needs to stop making trade scenarios with Sven. Why the hell has everyone given up on him and want to trade him? I don't get it.

This won't make you happy, but if I was the Flames I would be offering Sven + the 34th overall pick for a 1st rounder starting with the Islanders #5 pick. Keep offering this package for each subsequent pick until someone accepts it or Nik Ritchie is drafted. The Flames need to get some talented larger players.

[FlamesAddiction]

Reinhart is one of those players that is tough to get a read on from highlights alone. With Bennett, you can see his explosiveness and grit. With Draisaitl, his size alone stands out.

Reinhart doesn't have any physical qualities that standout. He seems to play a more cerebral game and uses hockey sense to put himself in the right position. In the end, those qualities might be better, but it is easy to get excited about the ones with better reels.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by logan_izer10

Everyone needs to stop making trade scenarios with Sven. Why the hell has everyone given up on him and want to trade him? I don't get it.

Because he's 21 and he's only a 0.5ppg player.. duh

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by logan_izer10

Everyone needs to stop making trade scenarios with Sven. Why the hell has everyone given up on him and want to trade him? I don't get it.

I like Sven, I believe he'll be an excellent NHL player... but he's not untouchable. Thing is the price has to be right (And Sven + #4 for #2 is NOT the right price).

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Just because they play an "NHL game" in junior does not mean it will carry over to the NHL. If they won't be able to come in and play top 6 minutes and PP time there is no point in burning a year on their contract and slowing their development.

AHL isn't an option, so if they can't step in and play their game at the NHL level they should be sent back to junior. It doesn't matter what they did last year in junior, it's about how they play in camp/preseason/first few games in the NHL.

If you want to talk about slowing development, put those guys back in the WHL so they can sleepwalk through the season against competition that is 2-3 steps below them.

I get that if they come to camp and look completely overwhelmed you cant keep them up with the big club. However, they are elite, top 5 draft picks that can/should be just fine against NHL competition and Im pretty confident they will show it. Both of those guys are at least at the level Monahan was at last years training camp and likely a little above that.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is a big stretch between getting who the new GM is out a little early which effects the team in no way and leaking what the Flames are trying to do at the draft which would be a terrible thing for the club. If what Boomer reported was true and I am Brian Burke I would personally hunt him down and shove my foot as far up his ass as I could.

Far more likely is it was strategic by Treviling/Burke.
Misinformation (or even truth) simply to confuse.
Again, info will not get out of the Flames camp that they don't want out there, imo
Not referring to you, but the reaction/over reaction here is really amusing

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I hope he's just blowing smoke, because it seems like management has been preparing the fanbase for an off the board Ritchie pick at #4 for some time now.

Not that he isn't a fine player but I would be really disappointed if they took him at 4. And after all the heat the team took for the Jankowski reach I'm not sure they could get away with another one.

If the Flames do want Ritchie they trade down with Vancouver for Vancouver's #6 and the Ducks/Sens #10 ( that Vancouver gets for Kessler).. Then give up a 3rd if they have to get the Islanders to pick Dal Colle.


Works if Sam R is there at #4.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by logan_izer10

Everyone needs to stop making trade scenarios with Sven. Why the hell has everyone given up on him and want to trade him? I don't get it.

I'm ok with imagined trades like Sven + for another first rounder. Not giving up on Sven as much as trading him for a different need eg big right winger

What I find hilarious is people hearing 4OA +, immediately assuming the plus is Sven, then getting their shorts in a knot about it

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by RyZ

If you want to talk about slowing development, put those guys back in the WHL so they can sleepwalk through the season against competition that is 2-3 steps below them.

I get that if they come to camp and look completely overwhelmed you cant keep them up with the big club. However, they are elite, top 5 draft picks that can/should be just fine against NHL competition and Im pretty confident they will show it. Both of those guys are at least at the level Monahan was at last years training camp and likely a little above that.

What makes you say this? I thought consensus was that no-one in this year's draft is as good as last year's top 6.

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Kicking the tires? Great.

If they want their guy, then you might as well find out what it costs to move up to snag him. As long as it doesn't cost too much (Sven lol), then I'm more than okay with this.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

What makes you say this? I thought consensus was that no-one in this year's draft is as good as last year's top 6.

what, there's consensus on this too? so Monahan with 27 less points than Reinhart would have gone #1 with a bullet this year? we all love the guy but I think this must be an invention by lusty Flames fans.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

What makes you say this? I thought consensus was that no-one in this year's draft is as good as last year's top 6.

I think thats silly and I have never heard that said outside of this board. I think last years draft had a higher top end, maybe nobody from this draft would have gone top 4 last year and last year was deeper in the 10-30 range.

I guess the only comparable I have heard myself was a tweet from Pronman a few weeks ago where he was asked "Monahan or Draisaitl" and he picked Draisaitl. And I believe he has Draisaitl at #6 on his board.

Maybe Im wrong, but I think the big 3 Cs in this draft are all probably around the Monahan, Nichushkin, Lindholm level, give or take.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

what, there's consensus on this too? so Monahan with 27 less points than Reinhart would have gone #1 with a bullet this year? we all love the guy but I think this must be an invention by lusty Flames fans.

Shrug. All year we heard that this year's draft was significantly weaker than last year's. Maybe it's lusty Flames fans that think that there are now 4 guys better than what we got last year and we're going to get one.

I can't say either way, but just because we're picking at 4 this year doesn't mean we automatically get someone better than Monahan.

[Sofa GM]

It is amusing reading everyones love for Sven. If we offered Sven and #34 for the Islanders #5 pick all we would hear is laughter prior to them hanging up the phone. The bottom line is Sven is an average prospect, a shifty small player with an arsenal of average skills, and not terribly tough in his own zone or on the puck in general. Of course a lot of these skills can be acquired and thats what we need to hope for.

Bottom line, no one is giving us a first round pick for Sven. Not sure if anyone is giving us a second round pick for Sven. If we can peddle him to acquire a stronger prospect being either a potential power forward winger or a potential 1-2 defensive prospect we need to take it.