Burke: "There have been no discussions between the Leafs and Flames about Phaneuf"

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

They're dealing with Treliving, or sometimes with Burke. Read fotze's post above. Burke has a wealth of knowledge, experience and connections, Treliving will be drawing on a lot of that, especially the on the relationships Burke has formed over the years.

I know this set up is relatively knew to us, but it shouldn't be this difficult to wraps our heads around, or this dramatic.

You're the one who elevated it to drama queen level by coming out with this post.

No, he shouldn't. He'd only need to do that for frightened fans with their conspiracy theories.

Like most here I want to see how this relationship works. So far there seems to be some minor inconsistencies with what is said and what is happening.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Like most here I want to see how this relationship works. So far there seems to be some minor inconsistencies with what is said and what is happening.

No, I was commenting on the continued posts by New Era and T@T.

[theoforever]

Just in case anyone missed it.

SilverGS in the Flames STH meeting thread post #156, made quick notes on what was said:

"....- Someone asked about how the process would go if Treliving and Burke disagreed on a course of action. They don't expect any issues but if they are on different sides it will come down to Trelivings decision. Burke he may strongly mention his reservations to Treliving but ultimately it is his decision....#

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's not about reinforcing the relationship to appease fans, it's more about fellow GMs making a deal without it having to be okayed by Burke. They want to know who they are dealing with. If he can't make the call maybe the other GM should be talking to Burke, not Treliving.

So you are aware that other GMs find the Flames org. structure confusing and don't know who to deal with, and it's now impacting teams dealing with the Flames?

I highly doubt that.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So you are aware that other GMs find the Flames org. structure confusing and don't know who to deal with, and it's now impacting teams dealing with the Flames?

I highly doubt that.

What I'm saying is that Burke had the opportunity to clarify the Flames structure and he didn't do it.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

What I'm saying is that Burke had the opportunity to clarify the Flames structure and he didn't do it.

How do you figure. I've heard him clarify it multiple times since coming on board. It's crystal clear, except to those who hate the idea that Burke has the most influence on the direction of this team and keep looking to pretend like Burke and the Flames are lying to us and are trying to pull the wool over our eyes about Burke's role.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

No, I was commenting on the continued posts by New Era and T@T.

... who commented on the inconsistencies of the supposed structure and the comments from Burke, to which you posted a ######y response about conspiracy theories.

Let's be very clear here. On paper the management team looks great. There is some serious talent there. But we have seen lots of stuff on paper with this club that would lead you to believe success was around the corner. Proof is in the results. Burke's past behaviors show a pattern of being controlling, so he has to prove he is able to work in the current structure. The jury is out IMO. I'm waiting to see something actually happen so we can see who is truly responsible for what. As it is, the supposed delineation of duties has not quite been on display as some would hope. We'll see over the next three weeks how this plays out.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by New Era

... who commented on the inconsistencies of the supposed structure and the comments from Burke, to which you posted a ######y response about conspiracy theories.

Let's be very clear here. On paper the management team looks great. There is some serious talent there. But we have seen lots of stuff on paper with this club that would lead you to believe success was around the corner. Proof is in the results. Burke's past behaviors show a pattern of being controlling, so he has to prove he is able to work in the current structure. The jury is out IMO. I'm waiting to see something actually happen so we can see who is truly responsible for what. As it is, the supposed delineation of duties has not quite been on display as some would hope. We'll see over the next three weeks how this plays out.

Thanks captain obvious. Yes, proof is in the pudding, looks good on paper, time will tell..........what ever other catch phrase applies to this situation just like any other situation that is in it's infancy. We have no idea if this combination of management team will work, and for what reasons, if it does fail, that it will do so. Right now, we have nothing to say about the management other than, we like it in concept, but lets see how it pans out.

But I love the comment, Burke's "past behaviour" has shown him to be controlling? How so? In every other role, he's been the GM, and has had "control". Exactly what were you looking for him to do in those situation? Have the hot dog vendor announce trades for his teams to show he's spreading out the decision making?

Fair enough that the dirty laundry often stays under wraps, but I've heard nothing but positive things be said about working with Burke with those who have actually worked (and therefore would know just how controlling he is) with him in the past. Doesn't really line up with the "his past history" comments. Now that said, I won't for a second pretend to have heard every last interview on the topic, so maybe I'm missing something.

Also, I'm not naïve enough to not understand why Burke and the Flames have hired a junior first time GM. That is directly because of the structure they have employed. I don't doubt for a second that this structure doesn't work if you have two tenured GMs in the role. GMs who have been around want to be the final say, like Burke is,. and would only be interested in a GM job where there is no president, or in president positions. A younger GM like Treliving will get some but not all of the responsibility he'd have in a traditional structure, and was likely a huge appeal for him in taking on his first GM job, probably saw it as a nice stepping stone.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by New Era

... who commented on the inconsistencies of the supposed structure and the comments from Burke, to which you posted a ######y response about conspiracy theories.

Let's be very clear here. On paper the management team looks great. There is some serious talent there. But we have seen lots of stuff on paper with this club that would lead you to believe success was around the corner. Proof is in the results. Burke's past behaviors show a pattern of being controlling, so he has to prove he is able to work in the current structure. The jury is out IMO. I'm waiting to see something actually happen so we can see who is truly responsible for what. As it is, the supposed delineation of duties has not quite been on display as some would hope. We'll see over the next three weeks how this plays out.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

How do you figure. I've heard him clarify it multiple times since coming on board. It's crystal clear, except to those who hate the idea that Burke has the most influence on the direction of this team and keep looking to pretend like Burke and the Flames are lying to us and are trying to pull the wool over our eyes about Burke's role.

It's crystal clear you that you don't see what the point is. Sure Burke has said Treliving is in charge of the draft and making trades, so when discussing a possible trade, to me he should differ to the guy who makes the trades.

and I don't hate, "the idea that Burke has the most influence on the direction of this team and keep looking to pretend like Burke and the Flames are lying to us and are trying to pull the wool over our eyes about Burke's role".

I liked the Burke hiring and still do. He's a great replacement for King in setting our direction and as a go between, between management and owners but even that relationship is up for discussion but nice try in trying to make up what I think. Maybe you should smoke another joint so in your imagination you're privy to my thoughts.

[Trumbull]

How did this turn into a Burke conspiracy theory?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

How did this turn into a Burke conspiracy theory?

by overreactions

[Hackey]

Burke has laid out the structure pretty plain and simple. At the end of the day though I don't even care how things break down as long as we are making quality moves and getting better. Burke is a pretty straight forward guy so I have no reason to believe he is lieing. If Treliving was as big of an up an comer as we've been told then I highly doubt he would take a job to be Burkes puppet. Pretty sure Burke has a lot more respect for the guy than to even consider proposing something like this anyways.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's crystal clear you that you don't see what the point is. Sure Burke has said Treliving is in charge of the draft and making trades, so when discussing a possible trade, to me he should differ to the guy who makes the trades.

Burke was at a charity event in Toronto and Phaneuf was also in attendance at the same event at Burke's request (Burke told this story at the STH event Tuesday night). Burke was asked a question by the media at the event.

He had the option of either giving a "no comment" or "that's up to the General Manager" type answer, which would have only fueled speculation that the Flames are interested in re-acquiring Phaneuf; or he could say what he did and stop any speculation. Also, by saying what he did, it means Phaneuf isn't going to have to field, "would you want to go back to Calgary?" type questions at the event.

[saXon]

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

How did this turn into a Burke conspiracy theory?

by under reactions

[TheDebaser]

Could the mods just lock this thread or something? There's not going to be anything insightful coming out of here.

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If the leafs eat a portion of the contract and give up guys we can do without, then sure. How badly do the Leafs want him gone? The scary part is I don't think that they think he's all that overpaid, they just think he's replaceable by their youth.