Burke: "There have been no discussions between the Leafs and Flames about Phaneuf"

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Parallex

For the first few year I actually think he should. People shouldn't think that they can just do an end run around Treliving and go to Burke directly. His stock answer should be "You should to ask Brad about that".

No, he shouldn't. He'd only need to do that for frightened fans with their conspiracy theories.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Parallex

For the first few year I actually think he should. People shouldn't think that they can just do an end run around Treliving and go to Burke directly. His stock answer should be "You should to ask Brad about that".

No, he shouldn't, because the ONLY people who are confused and apparently sensitive about Treliving's autonomy are paranoid Flames fans. Why should Burke pander to the disproportionate ire of a (likely small) segment of the fan base?

[Burke Salad]

These GM's/hockey executives lie through there teeth on a constant basis when it comes to the media.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Burke is 100% involved in hockey operations. He'll be commenting on hockey operations at times. Get over it and get used to the management system the Flames have in place.

Get over the fact that people are going to believe that Burke is still calling all the shots then. Until Burke proves otherwise he is still the same power hungry micro manager he's always been. Unless Treliving is the guy taking all the calls at the draft, and Burke never moves from his seat, there are going to be lots of people who still consider this Brian Burke's team and he is the guy calling the shots. It just isn't our fan base that is skeptical. Draft day will tell us all we need to know on who is running the show.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Burke Salad

These GM's/hockey executives lie through there teeth on a constant basis when it comes to the media.

Hate to quibble on this point, but while that might be true for a majority of executives, Burke is not in that camp. Go look at the interview he did for the upcoming draft on the Flames website (also on this site under a video thread for the draft). He states bluntly that the media deserves to ask questions for the fans and the fans deserve straightforward and honest answers. He does however go on to state that the only time he believes in being dishonest to the media is at the draft in order to get someone else to make the wrong pick or stay away from guys they like.

I know people will say, "If he's willing to lie there, why wouldn't he lie at other times?", and all I can really say is that, from what I've seen, Burke's record backs his words. He rarely makes comments that straightforward without it being the truth.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by New Era

Get over the fact that people are going to believe that Burke is still calling all the shots then. Until Burke proves otherwise he is still the same power hungry micro manager he's always been. Unless Treliving is the guy taking all the calls at the draft, and Burke never moves from his seat, there are going to be lots of people who still consider this Brian Burke's team and he is the guy calling the shots. It just isn't our fan base that is skeptical. Draft day will tell us all we need to know on who is running the show.

LOL. I think you need to get over the fact that HE IS calling the shots, and him not being the GM doesn't imply otherwise. He didn't take, nor accept a "figure head" position with this club, he took a postion that actually gives him more power then GM. He's at the top of the food chain as far as hockey goes in the Flames. People need to stop pretending the Flames or Burke are pretending otherwise, and stop making comments like they are catching him or the Flames in a lie or scam everytime he makes a comment on the team.

It would be like looking at any other organization and complaining that CEO actually has control over whats happening with the company. The CEO controls the direction of the club, but that doesn't make them a "micro manager". Only Treliving will know if he gets micro managed. Burke's role is to hire the guy he feels can deliver the direction of the club that BURKE wants. His confidence moving on with Treliving to do so will dictate whether he micro manages or not, and I'd assume if Burke finds himself having to micro manage and do the day to day GM job, Treliving will likely get fired.

Those that don't like Burke (which is fine) need to stop calling out every time it becomes clear he's directing this club as some sort of "ah ha" moment. It's not, it's exactly what is and should be happening.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Get over the fact that people are going to believe that Burke is still calling all the shots then. Until Burke proves otherwise he is still the same power hungry micro manager he's always been. Unless Treliving is the guy taking all the calls at the draft, and Burke never moves from his seat, there are going to be lots of people who still consider this Brian Burke's team and he is the guy calling the shots. It just isn't our fan base that is skeptical. Draft day will tell us all we need to know on who is running the show.

So the scouts are running the team then? The draft is almost 100% up to the scouts in nearly every organization, the G.M. is pretty much the figurehead at the draft.

Besides, I don't know how you could tell who is running things based on personnel decisions going forward. It's clear that Treliving thinks nearly identically to Burke about what type of team to build, which is why he was hired in the first place.

[Burke Salad]

You just dont want Burkie to state what a good job you have been doing for him, that's the kiss of death.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by SHOGUN

I think people should appreciate that Burke is willing to open up and answer questions... he could be someone like Darryl Sutter who gives blunt and short answers.

That argument presumes Sutter's style was incorrect. That is not a presumption I agree with.

[Muta]

I think for the average, casual fan which represents the majority of Calgary (ones who probably don't come to CP, for example), there's no difference between Burke and Treliving and I'm sure they don't have the care or interest to know the difference either.

Not sure why someone would be expected to know the hierarchy of the Flames organization, or care.

Burke can just as easily answer a fan's question as Treliving can. They do talk and work together.

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by New Era

Get over the fact that people are going to believe that Burke is still calling all the shots then. Until Burke proves otherwise he is still the same power hungry micro manager he's always been. Unless Treliving is the guy taking all the calls at the draft, and Burke never moves from his seat, there are going to be lots of people who still consider this Brian Burke's team and he is the guy calling the shots. It just isn't our fan base that is skeptical. Draft day will tell us all we need to know on who is running the show.

How exactly is Burke going to prove that? Him and Trevilling have both said Trevilling makes the calls and yet that isn't enough got you. What at the draft will prove who is making the calls? If Trevilling likes Ritchie and they take him does that mean Burke is running the show? Is it not possible that Trevilling and Burke have very similiar ideas.

How exactly has Burke been "a power hungry micro manager."

[IgiTang]

Yawn...

Burke Bad cause I hate him.

Burke shouldnt be doing anything such as speaking to the media about his team or possible aquisitions.

Burke breaths fire through his nose.

Burke should bring back the old flaming horse jersey but replace the horse with burkes face. (My idea)

OH CP...

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Parallex

For the first few year I actually think he should. People shouldn't think that they can just do an end run around Treliving and go to Burke directly. His stock answer should be "You should to ask Brad about that".

Originally Posted by New Era

Get over the fact that people are going to believe that Burke is still calling all the shots then. Until Burke proves otherwise he is still the same power hungry micro manager he's always been. Unless Treliving is the guy taking all the calls at the draft, and Burke never moves from his seat, there are going to be lots of people who still consider this Brian Burke's team and he is the guy calling the shots. It just isn't our fan base that is skeptical. Draft day will tell us all we need to know on who is running the show.

If some "people" actually are thick enough to believe that Burke is pulling the trigger on the shots, that would be the "people's" problem, not Burke/Treliving's. They know their roles.

[Hackey]

Thank god.

[MikkaVernon]

For everyone feeling relieved, Burke just said in his most recent interview on the flames website he lies to fans and media during draft season. So you can take everything with a grain of salt. I personally don't understand why any of us would want him to be truthful to the media regarding potential roster changes or movement.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

No, he shouldn't. He'd only need to do that for frightened fans with their conspiracy theories.

No conspiracy theories here, it's more about poor form. Treliving is in charge of hockey trades and makes the final calls. That he has only held this position a short time and there is some doubt from some as to who is really in charge, this was a good moment to reinforce that relationship. He didn't.

[CsInMyBlood]

So now we can be assured Phaneuf is getting traded to the Flames.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

No conspiracy theories here, it's more about poor form. Treliving is in charge of hockey trades and makes the final calls. That he has only held this position a short time and there is some doubt from some as to who is really in charge, this was a good moment to reinforce that relationship. He didn't.

I think Burke has said ultimately the final decision is up to him. He's the top of the food chain when it comes to hockey operations in Calgary. This system the Flames have in place is fairly new to the NHL and none of us really know what's what.

Burke doesn't need to reinforce the relationship to appease fans.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I think Burke has said ultimately the final decision is up to him. He's the top of the food chain when it comes to hockey operations in Calgary. This system the Flames have in place is fairly new to the NHL and none of us really know what's what.

Burke doesn't need to reinforce the relationship to appease fans.

It's not about reinforcing the relationship to appease fans, it's more about fellow GMs making a deal without it having to be okayed by Burke. They want to know who they are dealing with. If he can't make the call maybe the other GM should be talking to Burke, not Treliving.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's not about reinforcing the relationship to appease fans, it's more about fellow GMs making a deal without it having to be okayed by Burke. They want to know who they are dealing with. If he can't make the call maybe the other GM should be talking to Burke, not Treliving.

They're dealing with Treliving, or sometimes with Burke. Read fotze's post above. Burke has a wealth of knowledge, experience and connections, Treliving will be drawing on a lot of that, especially the on the relationships Burke has formed over the years.

I know this set up is relatively knew to us, but it shouldn't be this difficult to wraps our heads around, or this dramatic.