2014 NHL Draft Combine May 26-31 aka the Pull-Up thread

[Gaskal]

[theg69]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Read the whole of the article.... It was a significant problem..... By the time he broke into the Flames as regular player... 3 years after he was drafted #12 overall he was doing a lot of pull ups and he thought it was important.

He was called out and embarrassed at his first training camp by Coach Johnson...... next year he came back and did 16.

The highest total at this year's combine was 13.

You think that the Flames are planning for the #4 pick to play 2 more years of juniors and half a season in the AHL?

In 1984 , the year Roberts was drafted, Guy Lafluer was probably still enjoying smoking a cigarette or 2 during the intermission while popping in 30 goals.

Times have changed.

Sorry, I didn't want to nitpick - but in the article, it talks about "chin-ups", which are much easier than doing "pull-ups". If he could only do 2 "chin-ups" in training camp, chances are he would not have been about to do 1 "pull-up".

As for it being a concern, I doubt it will affect the way teams draft to be honest and would be thrilled if it did and Bennett fell to us at number 4. I feel that picking a forward this high is still a much better bet than hedging our bets on a defenseman (just from previous history) and don't think it is worth it for us to trade up to get Ekblad.

[loob job]

If Bennett falls to us and we pass on him i'm going to be pissed.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by loob job

If Bennett falls to us and we pass on him i'm going to be pissed.

Don't worry that won't happen

[djsFlames]

We should see how many Johnny can do. And then judge him as a hockey player based on that.

[puckedoff]

Does this story have legs to run 22 more days? I certainly hope so.
More info at 11, which is 11 more than Bennett could pull-up.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by strombad

Are there 100 posts dedicated to the player who did the most?

Why would there be? There was no standout performance at the top:

Pull-ups (Consecutive)
Josh Ho-Sang (13)
David Pastrnak (12)
Jayce Hawryluk (12)
Brett Lenrout (12)
Alex Peters (12)
Anthony DeAngelo (11)
Chase De Leo (11)
Matheson Iacopelli (11)
Sonny Milano (11)
Julius Honka (11)
William Nylander (11)
Vladimir Tkachev (11)
Francis Perron (11)
...
Ekblad (9)
...
Bennett (0)


When you look at that, where do you think the discussion is going to be focused?

If they released the full list, and there were a dozen other players who only did 1, then no this would not be getting the attention it has. But to the best of everyone's knowledge... Bennett is the only guy who did less than 9... That number being 0.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Why would there be? There was no standout performance at the top:

Pull-ups (Consecutive)
Josh Ho-Sang (13)
David Pastrnak (12)
Jayce Hawryluk (12)
Brett Lenrout (12)
Alex Peters (12)
Anthony DeAngelo (11)
Chase De Leo (11)
Matheson Iacopelli (11)
Sonny Milano (11)
Julius Honka (11)
William Nylander (11)
Vladimir Tkachev (11)
Francis Perron (11)
...
Ekblad (9)
...
Bennett (0)


When you look at that, where do you think the discussion is going to be focused?

If they released the full list, and there were a dozen other players who only did 1, then no this would not be getting the attention it has. But to the best of everyone's knowledge... Bennett is the only guy who did less than 9... That number being 0.

Really? I haven't heard this. Where did you read/hear this?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Really? I haven't heard this. Where did you read/hear this?

The players in that list are the only results that have been made public, AFAIK.

Obviously the majority of the results are missing. I didn't mean it as he is absolutely the only guy who did fewer than 9... Just meant 9 is the next lowest number we've been told, after Bennett's 0.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Why would there be? There was no standout performance at the top:

Pull-ups (Consecutive)
Josh Ho-Sang (13)
David Pastrnak (12)
Jayce Hawryluk (12)
Brett Lenrout (12)
Alex Peters (12)
Anthony DeAngelo (11)
Chase De Leo (11)
Matheson Iacopelli (11)
Sonny Milano (11)
Julius Honka (11)
William Nylander (11)
Vladimir Tkachev (11)
Francis Perron (11)
...
Ekblad (9)
...
Bennett (0)


When you look at that, where do you think the discussion is going to be focused?

If they released the full list, and there were a dozen other players who only did 1, then no this would not be getting the attention it has. But to the best of everyone's knowledge... Bennett is the only guy who did less than 9... That number being 0.

Do you even know why it matters?
This is kind of ridiculous speculation because it's a dead few days and there's nothing else to talk about, I get it, but his performance likely doesn't matter. The "only guy who did less than 9" is likely untrue as well unless you have evidence providing such. I'm sure there are guys who did 1, 2, 3, whatever.

Ask yourself this:
If Bennett is apparently that much weaker than 120 other top prospects, why is he ranked #1?
Why was he able to physically assert himself in a very effective way against guys aged 18. 19, and 20?

The pull up thing is stupid. It tells you where he needs work, not that he suddenly won't be a top guy because of one failed test. If you look up the definition of the phrase "Making a mountain out of a molehill," there's probably a link to an article about Sam Bennett doing 0 pull-ups.

Out of the top 10 guys in pull-ups, anyone ranked top 5 by CSS? Top 10 even?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

But to the best of everyone's knowledge... Bennett is the only guy who did less than 9... That number being 0.

Quite the misleading statement. Clearly a lot of players must have done less than 9.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

...

If they released the full list, and there were a dozen other players who only did 1, then no this would not be getting the attention it has. But to the best of everyone's knowledge... Bennett is the only guy who did less than 9... That number being 0.

This is the key here guys, in reference to the table of results posted. Not a misleading statement... Y'all gotta learn 2 reed

[northcrunk]

I don't see it as much of a problem he can't do a pull up. Chances are his strength is in his legs and not so much in his back/upper body yet. It always seems like the guys who are shorter and lighter can do many more than a tall player. When I was 17 I couldn't do a pull up either being 6'0 and 185 but still won every fight I had in Junior and was still able to hit hard and run guys over.

If anything I see it as a positive that Bennet has more of a natural strength than weight lifting strength. It won't be hard for him to put on muscle and he may be a beast by the time he does.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

This is the key here guys, in reference to the table of results posted. Not a misleading statement... Y'all gotta learn 2 reed

It's pretty misleading. To the best of my knowledge there was 120 players at the combine and the results only show the top few plus Ekblad and Bennett. Anyone with half a brain should realize that most of the rest of the 120 players fall under 9. It's either misleading or some really bad phrasing.

[ignite09]

Not doing a pull up isn't a big deal, but it's indicative of what scouts have been saying for months. He is projecting to be the smallest and weakest of the three centres, somewhere between 6'1 and 190-195 at the NHL level. That's a decent size, but if your a team with a top six already on the small size it might be an issue. Even for the Flames, it might mean a LW prospect or two might be moved out to bring in some bigger wingers.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

This is the key here guys, in reference to the table of results posted. Not a misleading statement... Y'all gotta learn 2 reed

It is actually very misleading, because it shows only the top performers, not a representative distribution - making the bold above deliciously ironic

[bucksmasher]

every time I check in on this thread its...........................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0K-...=RD3I0K-ymOTS4

[Huntingwhale]

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Quite the misleading statement. Clearly a lot of players must have done less than 9.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is actually very misleading, because it shows only the top performers, not a representative distribution - making the bold above deliciously ironic

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

It's pretty misleading. To the best of my knowledge there was 120 players at the combine and the results only show the top few plus Ekblad and Bennett. Anyone with half a brain should realize that most of the rest of the 120 players fall under 9. It's either misleading or some really bad phrasing.

Did you miss the part where I said: "If they released the full list, and there were a dozen other players who only did 1, then no this would not be getting the attention it has."

I agree there would have been other guys who'd done less than 9, but since they don't release those numbers, and then they did decide to leak info/video of Bennett failing to do 1, it makes the situation look pretty pathetic.

Originally Posted by strombad

Ask yourself this:
If Bennett is apparently that much weaker than 120 other top prospects, why is he ranked #1?
Why was he able to physically assert himself in a very effective way against guys aged 18. 19, and 20?

The pull up thing is stupid. It tells you where he needs work, not that he suddenly won't be a top guy because of one failed test. If you look up the definition of the phrase "Making a mountain out of a molehill," there's probably a link to an article about Sam Bennett doing 0 pull-ups.

Out of the top 10 guys in pull-ups, anyone ranked top 5 by CSS? Top 10 even?

Why are you trying to make a point to me that this pull-up means nothing in regards to who Bennett is as a player? Did I ever suggest otherwise? .....

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I don't think anyone's suggested he shouldn't be in the top 3 of this draft class, based on his not being able to do a pull-up. I think we're all just talking about how strange it is.

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I don't believe it impedes his abilities as a hockey player... it obviously hasn't yet, and he will get stronger. But the fact he couldn't do one is pretty embarrassing and hilarious.

Originally Posted by The Fonz

...I don't look at Bennett any differently as a hockey player...

Originally Posted by The Fonz

it has no bearing on his abilities as a hockey player...

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Don't think anyone said he's not a top prospect because of this...

It's getting massive attention because relative to his peers (again, from what the public can see), Bennett did not measure up. He was not even in the same ballpark.

If Ho-Sang had cranked out 25, and the next best was that group at 12, there'd also be a lot of discussion over how Ho-Sang dominated that specific test, and was miles ahead of his peers.

[strombad]

If it doesn't have any relevance to him as a player, then it is irrelevant entirely, so why are you talking about it?

Clearly I'm misunderstanding the point of discussing it.