2014 NHL Draft Combine May 26-31 aka the Pull-Up thread

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by strombad

Link?

Didn't videotape the old guy. While it was impressive at his age, didn't realize pull-ups were so unbelievable that they required video evidence.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm sorry, but a professional athlete should be able to do one pullup. Especially if he knew he was supposed to train for it, and especially if he SAID he was training for it.

Maybe he trained for the tests that were done last year, considering this was a new test for the combine?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by AC

http://www.thestar.com/sports/2009/0...l_seasons.html

Apparently it was 2:

Thanks.

So that was in 1984... 30 years ago?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by AC

Maybe he trained for the tests that were done last year, considering this was a new test for the combine?

I'm sorry, but the combine is literally the biggest day of his life. I seriously doubt him and his trainer didn't know the standards of any test.

He has no excuse.

Again, the tests are done for a reason. If the pullups weren't that important, why would they do them?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Thanks.

So that was in 1984... 30 years ago?

30 years ago in an era where players used training camp to get into shape.

The game is much different right now.

If Bennett had trained with Roberts, he would have been able to do a lot more than a single pullup.

[T@T]

That was also a chin up. hands facing in and using the biceps...huge difference.

Just try it.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Azure

30 years ago in an era where players used training camp to get into shape.

The game is much different right now.

If Bennett had trained with Roberts, he would have been able to do a lot more than a single pullup.

Leave it alone will ya, take your 18 inch pipes and go practice in the mirror.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by T@T

That was also a chin up. hands facing in and using the biceps...huge difference.

Just try it.

Take your own advice.

[nik-]

I don't do pull ups, I just pull the whole bar apparatus down.

[EricCartman]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm sorry, but the combine is literally the biggest day of his life. I seriously doubt him and his trainer didn't know the standards of any test.

He has no excuse.

Again, the tests are done for a reason. If the pullups weren't that important, why would they do them?

Eh who cares. Bennett obviously isn't ready to be in the NHL yet, but I have no doubts that his frame will fill out. These kids are 18 years old can't expect them to come in and do a lot of lifting. I believe he'll prove all his doubters that say he won't be successful because he couldn't do a pullup wrong.

I think the entire combine thing is overrated, maybe except for VO2 max (to see if the kid is actually in shape or just one fat kid) and physical measurements. These kids are 18, not body builders can't expect them to do much lifting at all. There was a guy named Kevin Durant that couldn't do one bench press lift in the NBA combine, see how he turned out.

The more important test is his skills against the competition IMO. If he passed the eye test of the Flames management I want him as a Flame.

[FAN]

I am in the camp that combine results matter as far as drafting positions go, but has little relevance to how a prospect will develop.

Looking at the results, I think there's a real chance that Nylander will be drafted high. Nylander has high end skills but a slight body. But he came in and did really well at the combine.

If Bennett falls to #4 is that dropping? I think his inability to do one pullup is going to affect his chances of competing for the first two spots. I am guessing he didn't do so well in the bench press either but I don't know. If there is in fact little to differentiate the top 4, then I can certainly see teams going with the more NHL ready prospect because we've seen that NHL teams want their #1 overall to be in the NHL. If some of us are thinking that Bennett needs to be returned to juniors then ya I think there's a real chance he "drops" in this draft.

[nik-]

I don't think in a bubble Sam Bennett not doing a pull up matters at all. What scares me about Bennett, and I don't even think the pull up is a big indicator, is his game doesn't line up with his body. We're seeing Mike Richards break down now because of his playstyle and he was bulkier than Bennett.

Everyone knows he's not a next year NHL'er, but I'm scared his frame, which seems pretty slight, will never allow him to play his full game at the NHL level.

Other than that he's obviously an assassin, but it's a concern. That being said, I'd still love to draft him.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Azure

The combine is there for a reason. If it doesn't matter to the teams involved, why do it?

Truth is that nobody here has a clue how the combine results make a difference to each teams draft rankings.

The physical testing at the combine allows teams to see how physically developed players are, and to give them an idea of what they have to work with development wise once they draft them.

Bennett's performance at the tests likely affects what fitness plans/programs teams will prepare for him once they draft him and inform a team of how long it may take for him to be NHL ready, not so much his draft ranking.

[JiriHrdina]

Holy crap this is being overblown.

[strombad]

Some people are being pretty ridiculous about the pull up.

Personally, I'm curious about this angle:
If he can't do one pull up, that means he hasn't trained properly/enough to built the requisite strength.
If he's under-trained and under-developed, and he's successfully played a strong, bulldog type of game with a high rate of skill, just what could the potential be when he has professional NHL trainers helping him build his body? He's young, he has plenty of time to grow and develop. He could be scary-good.

[The Fonz]

I repeat, it has no bearing on his abilities as a hockey player. It is just very embarrassing and strange that he couldn't do ONE. It makes me think he's hiding an injury.

Jiri, it's not being overblown. Don't think anyone said he's not a top prospect because of this. Us discussing how disappointing this is is no different than if another prospect did 20 and we discussed how impressive that was relative to his peers.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I repeat, it has no bearing on his abilities as a hockey player. It is just very embarrassing and strange that he couldn't do ONE. It makes me think he's hiding an injury.

Jiri, it's not being overblown. Don't think anyone said he's not a top prospect because of this. Us discussing how disappointing this is is no different than if another prospect did 20 and we discussed how impressive that was relative to his peers.

Are there 100 posts dedicated to the player who did the most?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm sorry, but a professional athlete should be able to do one pullup.

He isn't a professional athlete yet, he's a frickin kid in high school!

[FAN]

Originally Posted by nik-

What scares me about Bennett, and I don't even think the pull up is a big indicator, is his game doesn't line up with his body. We're seeing Mike Richards break down now because of his playstyle and he was bulkier than Bennett.

I don't think Bennett compares to Mike Richards at all. Bennett is a far superior skater with superior puck skills. Bennett enjoys the physical side of the game, but offensively I don't think he relies on playing a physical game at all.

[SHOGUN]

The only positive I can see from this is if Edmonton are dumb enough to take the "lack of upper strength" of Bennett as a red flag and then pass on him, thus falling into the Flames laps.