CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[undercoverbrother]

I looked back on his posts, and it really is hard to see what Completely is bring to the game.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We could look at it this way in regards to Legoman and HD. Most of us have a high suspicion of Lego after he went to bat big time for starseed who ended up flipping mafia. Now he is saying he is sure HD is mafia. So if we lynch Lego and he flips town then maybe that points toward HD being mafia.

Actually he claimed I was mafia before he went to bat for starseed. I'm just bringing it up again because there was no foundation behind such a bold statement against me and nothing further provided to support him being "almost certain".

If he does flip town (which I doubt) it does make me look bad. I'm not convinced he is part of Parker and was trying to save starseed. I'll be less surprised if he flips Barrow and the whole starseed defense was just posturing for a time like now.

[Completely]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I looked back on his posts, and it really is hard to see what Completely is bring to the game.

I thought starseed was mafia before it was cool. It's hard to change peoples minds once the bandwagon starts for a lynch.

[undercoverbrother]

It is very interesting how little is being posted in the thread today.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think people are taking a breath, compared to the last game this one is a mite bit more crazy.

Plus we're all sitting here vitual wise staring at each other with shifty eyes of suspicion.

[Rathji]

I tried to go through the thread and pull some things on people I am focusing on, but didn't get very far.

Completely

Did vote for for starseed on first day, post vig kill I think. That helps his image a bit in my book, but not a whole ton.

Originally Posted by Completely

Not a fan of doing things without solid reasoning. Still the first day the only person we know for fact is scum is ineedanother. He has been leading the charge but he doesn't know for a fact who scum yet he proved that with killing timbo. With so much info in the thread it's not fair to make a vote just cause 'someone else did'. It's a valid strategy to be the first person to jump on the bandwagon so you can just say "hey i was there first". We aren't canuck fans here

Vote: starseed

flameswin

Originally Posted by flameswin

Yep, this would be the way to go. There's a huge likelihood that mafia is heavily influencing discussion right now. The problem is, and I don't mean any offense by this, that ineedabeer seems pretty green and doesn't seem like he could lead the charge and hunt out scum.

Kind of goes the opposite direction from starseed in trying to get people to agree with ineedanother. Don't know what it means, could be intentional misdirection, though. A point in the flameswin is town column if nothing else.

Originally Posted by flameswin

Also, the one thing mafia is going to be very aware of in this game, after seeing how much it was used as indicators last game, is vote patterns.

I'd suggest there will be lots of mafia voting strategy that will include vote changes that they can point to later when accused. "What do you mean I'm aligned with that guy? I had him as my vote for two days back here".

So basically look for early voting and then changing and also late pile on votes if someone is found to be scum.

Pointing out that people should focus on those who unvote or pile on late. I don't know that it means anything by itself, but if he flips mafia it could mean that it is misdirection to help steer people away from the real mafia. Of course, in retrospect, that same info can help us narrow down people who might have been following an alternate voting pattern.


Baxter Renegade

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

So how can we go about subtly communicating with the doctor and cop? These two roles are obviously extremely useful, but very difficult to properly utilize as a whole due to the fact that they cant reveal themselves?

Is it a given that the doctor will save Ineedanother come night time since he is the only confirmed townie that is still alive? With the inspectors knowledge each day, how does that benefit the rest of the town? The cop knows someones role, but the rest of us don't know hes the cop and can only assume he is speculating...

Interesting game. I look forward to it getting deeper and folks' true colors shining through.

I read this post and it made me think about a post he made earlier today.

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

As a proven townmember, it's almost guaranteed that the doctor is protecting him... Unless the doctor knows something else concrete, it would almost be foolish not to protect him. The Mafia probably knows this and doesn't want to waste a kill. Anyone the Mafia kills benefits them..

Baxter is the only one, who I saw, that said anything overtly about who the Dr should protect, and it seems like it could be a mafia plot to make sure that ineedanother gets protected every night, so the mafia has a clear path to kill others at will. This would likely work pretty well if the Dr was at all unsure about who they should protect, which in a game of almost all new players, would be almost certainly.

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Baxter is the only one, who I saw, that said anything overtly about who the Dr should protect, and it seems like it could be a mafia plot to make sure that ineedanother gets protected every night, so the mafia has a clear path to kill others at will. This would likely work pretty well if the Dr was at all unsure about who they should protect, which in a game of almost all new players, would be almost certainly.

Nope. Everyone at the beginning was mentioning how the Doc should protect Ineedanother due to the revelation. I was also trying to show Legoman's ignorance... It seemed mafia-esque to feign ignorance and pretend not to know why Ineedanother wasn't and hadn't been targeted... Everyone should have known.

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

Nope. Everyone at the beginning was mentioning how the Doc should protect Ineedanother due to the revelation. I was also trying to show Legoman's ignorance... It seemed mafia-esque to feign ignorance and pretend not to know why Ineedanother wasn't and hadn't been targeted... Everyone should have known.

Well obviously the mafia never targeted ineedanother, otherwise he would have died or there would have been one less night kill.

I'm not pretending, it's just puzzling.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

Nope. Everyone at the beginning was mentioning how the Doc should protect Ineedanother due to the revelation. I was also trying to show Legoman's ignorance... It seemed mafia-esque to feign ignorance and pretend not to know why Ineedanother wasn't and hadn't been targeted... Everyone should have known.

Now that you mention it, I do recall someone else mentioning it at one point. I only started a the Vig kill and mostly skimmed posts that were not the people I was looking at, and do don't even finish the first day so I could have missed it.

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 6 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (10): kermitology, Rathji, Hockeyguy15, strombad, CofR, dissentowner, ineedanother, Lego Man, undercoverbrother, Completely

Voting:
Lego Man (4): DropIt, Baxter Renegade, CaptainCrunch, HalifaxDrunk
flameswin (3): Oling_Roachinen, Crazy Bacon Legs, flameswin

Deadline is Tuesday, May 20th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time. Hammer cannot be dropped before Thursday, May 15th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[jayswin]

^^^^^^

Well that looks a little awkward now eh, CBL and Oling?

Came out of the gate hot with a plan together and voted really quickly based on some decent enough, but pretty flimsy evidence.

I'll admit I have a bad track record this game, but you guys kind of overplayed your part a little by jumping into the day immediately with longwinded accusation and a quick vote together.

My play has been a little poor (as have most this game, imo) but I also make a perfect fake target for mafia right now, imo. Only problem is they spent almost zero time letting it come up naturally and then trying to subtly direct the masses towards voting me out.

Coincidence if it was one poster, but two? Planned, imo. Time will tell.

[jayswin]

...and contrary to UCB's claim that I'm being an "eyore", "whoa is me" type of player, I actually think this is the perfect time to vote me out. I say we do it, because if we do, then that'll be pretty damning on CrazyBaconLegs and Oling.

I'd bet they've been discussing this for the last day in their forum going "****, that go how we thought it would, how do we play this now?".

If they are mafia then my death will put us so far ahead of the game it's not even funny. And if they're not, then that's one more thing I got completely wrong in this game and we'll be pretty far behind. Either way, I'm sure others have better ideas, but it's something to think about.

[jayswin]

I also have another idea that Lego man has become another convenient mafia target and that at least two of the posters with votes on Legoman right now are mafia.

Captain Crunch was one of the most suspicious posters these last couple of days and there he is right away with vote, plus BaxterRenegade another poster called out multiple times this game and posting rather oddly.

That's a whole other theory though and I don't want to get everyone going in eight different directions, but in all honesty I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at the bulk of our mafia in this early current coting right now.

[jayswin]

*early voting

[jayswin]

So I guess my crazy theory in an easy to read chart would be like this

Scapegoat: Legoman

potential mafia group 1: HalifaxDrunk, captaincrunch, BaxterRenegade



Scapegoat: flameswin

potential mafia group 2: CrazyBaconLegs, Olingroachinen






Did I just figure the game out, or am I just wrong again in a relatively poorly played game on my part?

[jayswin]

Also, you're going to get mafia pushback on these ideas if they are correct. So here's my crazy plan to get things rolling. If you're town and reading this;

Step 1: vote out flameswin. I know who I am, but without confirmation, everything I've laid out doesn't mean anything to anyone but me.

Step 2: Go through the process of these two groups once I flip town, don't listen to "noise" pointing in other directions.

Step 3: profit?




There will be two or three outcomes;

1. Both ideas are relatively right, town wins pretty easily

2. One of these two mafia theories is right; We get ahead with one success but it'll come down to the wire with one theory being wrong

3. Both theories are wrong; flameswin is the goat. I can live with that as I believe this game has been a bit of ****show with two mafia groups. Way too much noise throwing the group in different directions.

This gives us a chance to at least know that all town still participating are following a known townie in me.

[undercoverbrother]

vote Flameswin

I am willing to trust you.

You seem to understand that death for us townies des not mean the end of the game. If your death leads to us killing the scum once and for all we/you win.

[jayswin]

Oops, missed dropit


Scapegoat: Legoman

potential mafia group 1: DropIt, HalifaxDrunk, captaincrunch, BaxterRenegade



Scapegoat: flameswin

potential mafia group 2: CrazyBaconLegs, Olingroachinen

[jayswin]

...and just for posterity when analyzing CBL and Oling's quick votes for me. Here's a quote from me before the hammer fell.

I think we may be better off still going with him just because all of his spilled info goes a lot further if the seed of doubt that he may be mafia has been removed.

So I harshly stated that starseed is likely mafia and voted for him. Then was a little thrown off by his very townie posting leading up to his death, but still posted this...

I think we may be better off still going with him just because all of his spilled info goes a lot further if the seed of doubt that he may be mafia has been removed.

..and kept my vote on him until the end. And then those two are not only suspicious of me, but have me as their vote within hours of the new day? Pretty damning if you ask me.

[dissentowner]

Well we have lots of time so I am not ready to cast any vote yet.