CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Oling_Roachinen]

Pretty early on I was quick to point out starseed:

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Here's my issue with you jumping on the bandwagon so quickly though. While I agree that ineeedanother's motive is obviously town aligned, he doesn't have any additional information. In fact he has less as all townspersons know at least 2 people who are townpersons now where he can only confirm himself.

He's listed about 6 people he's suspicious of in his posts, but like Timbo he could be just as wrong. Or even if he's named a mafia, the other side isn't aware that he has. So if you're mafia and the 6 people that ineedanother has picked as suspicious don't include any of your mafia friends of course it's easy to say follow ineedanother for a couple rounds. It would be different if ineeedanother didn't include the people he was suspicious of and we all just agreed to follow his vote when he made it, but since the mafia knows who his targets are as long as they aren't with them they are happy to continue to push this objective.

If none of ineedanother's suspsect end up being mafia, or only include one mafia group, I'm going to say you should end up being a big suspect here.

flameswin was quick to come and defend him.

Originally Posted by flameswin

So that post was very defensive and in-depth and at the end accusatory of a poster, considering it was the same strategy that almost everyone here is fine being on board with.

So I guess, if we're looking for early signs of posters being aligned, one would look at whatever poster Ineedanother has cause to be on the hot seat. Last one would be Baxter_Renegade.

Yesterdy he did keep his vote for starseed but he was making posts how he thought starseed was town.

Originally Posted by flameswin

Starseed does seem pretty townie today
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Originally Posted by flameswin

Haha, holy crap. Starseed is dishing it all lol! I don't see how he doesn't flip town at this point.

Etc.

It almost might be too blatant of defending him, yet he didn't go so far as to remove his vote. It might be something to consider down the road.

However, I still think we should go Crazy Bacon Legs. I've made my suspicion of him clear from the beginning calling out him and starseed. I was right about starseed so I'm okay sticking with Crazy Bacon Legs.

Vote: Crazy Bacon Legs

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

dissentowner, you shouldn't edit posts.

Why? I was writing my post, then I was disturbed by a 3 year old maniac and hit post before I was finished. Dealt with him and finished my post.

[kermitology]

Game rules prohibit editing of posts. Which is why I'm always having issues with bolding

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Game rules prohibit editing of posts. Which is why I'm always having issues with bolding

Ohh, crap. My bad, won't happen again. You would think I would know that from last time.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why? I was writing my post, then I was disturbed by a 3 year old maniac and hit post before I was finished. Dealt with him and finished my post.

It's a rule we got.
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I'd also like to point out that Crazy Bacon Legs had listed starseed on his lists several times yet when it came to actually voting for him "yesterday" he made a long winded post that accused starseed of most likely being mafia but didn't actually vote for him until being called out for not voting.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/newrepl...eply&p=4760969

Just a bit odd that he thinks a guy is mafia yet he doesn't lay out the vote (we weren't at hammer either).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

It's a rule we got.
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I'd also like to point out that Crazy Bacon Legs had listed starseed on his lists several times yet when it came to actually voting for him "yesterday" he made a long winded post that accused starseed of most likely being mafia but didn't actually vote for him until being called out for not voting.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/newrepl...eply&p=4760969

Just a bit odd that he thinks a guy is mafia yet he doesn't lay out the vote (we weren't at hammer either).

Has he ever voted?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Has he ever voted?

Yeah, first post has links to all the actions (lynches with votes, vig kill, night kills, etc.) Just doesn't have in between votes for people who change votes throughout the day so be careful with that.

He ended up voting for starseed, and he did make a similar point about flameswin and starseed as I did in his post.

[Rathji]

Ok, so I am typing this up in advance, since I am going to be very busy all of Thursday and I expect that I will be an early target. If that is the case, I want all of this info out there. Chances are I won't even have a chance to edit it, so it might not make much sense give what the night kills bring us. I hope I have time to edit it at that point though.

First, I think we learned alot when we delayed the hammer until this morning, even if it did have me following the wild goose chase that starseed led us on. Starseed, I assume you are reading this, and that was a pretty impressive display.

Next, I think many will suspect me as a target, since I bought the starseed con job and I totally understand that. I can't say anytyhing to defend myself other than he was really convincing towards the end and I suspect he was actually saying things that are all true. I was an early vote for him initally, and I think I was a heavy driver in him getting to the cusp of lynch the first time.

Finally, my thinking at this point:


CaptainCrunch
If I was mafia and playing it like starseed did, I would actually try and play (and think) like a townie so I would be able to pull the big deception like he did. That means targetting someone you actually think is mafia (obviously Barrow in this case). He would have had help with other mafia to develop his theory, which is why his final posts were in such detail. An added bonus to this is that he would have an advantage picking out Barrow mafia since he was able to automatically remove his own team from the list. Because of this, I suspect that his accusation against CaptainCrunch isn't nessecarily something to be disregarded, because if he dies and flips mafia before starseed does, he looks like a hero and directs attention away from himself. Everything he said made a lot of sense.

To briefly summarize:
- Started on Agulati (expanded upon by me, here - http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1521)
- Potential connection to Completely
- Potential hints to other mafia
- Other general odd posts

(complete posting here - http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1514)

addtionally, other things brought up by other posters:

Originally Posted by Lego Man

CaptainCrunch seems to be entirely sidetracked and focusing on the wrong things all game. He's too clueless to be Mafia. That is my opinion at least.

Here, he doesn't say that CC is mafia, but he points out that he seems clueless. One thing I know about CC is he never appears clueless, even if he is wrong.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Fine, We need to see what Starseed is, it opens some things up in terms of who to go after next if he flips up mob.

unvote
vote Starseed

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

CaptainCrunch's vote seals it, no?

Here, CC and SP might be thinking they hammered starseed. Don't know if it specfically means anything that SP pointed it out, but his hammer to try and stop the accusations of starseed is telling. I wonder if he fully suspected starseed as mafia as well, and thought it would clear him in the process.


That pretty much sums up our case against CC, and I think it makes him our best primary target.


Baxter Renegade

Again, same reasoning that starseed had a vested interest in his redirect targets being a likely mafia member. He was a lot more vague here though and just said

Baxter's posts when looked at holistically are very mafia-like. Have a look through them and see if you come to the same opinion.

, so maybe just pulled a random name out of other people's suspect lists

Initally, I thought it was him and flameswin that posted the "Look anyone stopped posting combo", which I touched on in this post - http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1436 I was wrong though, as it was DropIn.

Other than that suspicion, nothing in the past few pages really leads me to suspect Baxter more post flip than I did beforehand. He is still on my list though.

DropIt

As referenced above, his exchange with flamewin below was very odd to me, as it seemed designed to stop any debate because people would be worried about being labelled as mafia.

Originally Posted by DropIt

and all the posting stops lol.

Originally Posted by flameswin

haha, that was awesome!

It's like they all came in trying to steer the ship off course and in another direction, the went "Ah ****, they're on to us" and all bailed, lol.

He was also the hammer on starseed, which if he is in cohoots with CC trying to silence opposition. I don't know that this means alot though. We were getting lots of information from the posting that had happened, so maybe it was to stop the flow of info, or maybe he just thought there had been enough of a lull that the hammer needed to come down.

Originally Posted by DropIt

unvote

vote: starseed

Feel like Starseed's cardflip needs to happen at this point given everything that has gone on around him. It should open some doors on to how we progress from here.

That's it for now. If I didn't have a chance to edit this post night kill flips, then I will post an addendum when I have had a chance to process the new info.

[dissentowner]

I guess what I was asking is what CBL has been like for votes prior to the past one?

[Rathji]

ok, so I am headed to bed, but I think pretty much all that still applies as much now as it did when I typed it during lunch today. The onyl thing that isn't relavent is SP, but as I mentioned in my post I doubt it meant anything anyway that he pointed it out.

[dissentowner]

Sorry if I sound out of it, long day. We have a lot of debating to do, lets not rush anything but take our time.

[Rathji]

My primary choice at this point is CC, followed by DropIn and flameswin.

I dont think any of the flips change that really.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yeah, first post has links to all the actions (lynches with votes, vig kill, night kills, etc.) Just doesn't have in between votes for people who change votes throughout the day so be careful with that.

He ended up voting for starseed, and he did make a similar point about flameswin and starseed as I did in his post.

So me and starseed eh? I'll go down if I have to, but I was pretty vocal when the onslaught started, I believe, and kept my vote the entire time. I know mafia will do things to try and blend in, but that's a bit it stretch.

He was fairly convincing leaving up to his death there and I wasn't the only one to think that.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by flameswin

So me and starseed eh? I'll go down if I have to, but I was pretty vocal when the onslaught started, I believe, and kept my vote the entire time. I know mafia will do things to try and blend in, but that's a bit it stretch.

He was fairly convincing leaving up to his death there and I wasn't the only one to think that.

Except Crazy Bacon Legs had already stated you would change your vote. There was 0 chance of you being able to change your vote if you were mafia and expect not to have a huge flag on you if starseed showed up as mafia.

Ironically, I would have been less suspicious if you removed your vote instead of continually saying how you thought he was town yet kept the vote up. If you were town and thought he was town, like you said you did, it would have made sense to remove your vote. If you were mafia and knew he was, it would make sense to try and sway the vote but keep your own vote there so you could say "I kept my vote on him the entire time."

You also made a point to say if he flipped town you would be a big target:

Originally Posted by flameswin

I've almost given up for the time being. Nothing's clear, which means mafia are probably doing a good job. I'll wait to see what happens after this kill, as I think things will be a lot more clear, but I bet I'll also be a pretty big target if starseed flips town. Oh well, day 4 baby!!

Hopes that once he flipped mafia you wouldn't be one?

Of course I was already suspicious of you when you went to his defense a couple days ago to defend him so I might be looking too deep.

[DropIt]

Rathji:

DropIt

As referenced above, his exchange with flamewin below was very odd to me, as it seemed designed to stop any debate because people would be worried about being labelled as mafia.

Just an observational joke. I found the lull after so much chatter funny after Flameswin's statement is all

Rathji:
He was also the hammer on starseed, which if he is in cohoots with CC trying to silence opposition. I don't know that this means alot though. We were getting lots of information from the posting that had happened, so maybe it was to stop the flow of info, or maybe he just thought there had been enough of a lull that the hammer needed to come down.

It was tough to be the hammer, and I anticipated taking some flack for that.
However, as I explained earlier, I thought that things needed to progress from Starseed's lynching gto see how the chips fell afterwards and turned out to be right. Also, there was 12 hours of info flow before there was a long lull in it, and nobody else seemed to be too convinced in terms of changing their vote.
Also, going back to my post about my suspicion of Legoman, Starseed was one of my 4 named targets so it wasn't as if I was just piling on the vote.

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Im still quite sure that between Legoman, Rathji and Crazy Bacon Legs. I am very confident that within the three of you, we will find the rest of the Parker mafia. You and Legoman defended a highly suspicious mafia member and worked VERY hard to change the votes when it was looking imminent that he was going to get lynched.

I understand the measures you need to go to to defend yourself with your back against the wall, but we are the ones who got out the mafia. You did your best to convince everyone otherwise.


Vote: Legoman

[jayswin]

To be honest, oling-roachinen and Rathji's analysis of me is so bad that I'm not even going to fight it. I hope they convince everyone to vote me out, then it gets them killed. To me it reeks of mafia saying, let's get the group on someone right away this time.

Either way, I die and the attention turns to them and they're either mafia or townies with terrible analysis that set us way back. Either way, fully deserved deaths.

[CaptainCrunch]

I can keep going back to my defense, which I've stated many times over

Not to kick a dead cow

But Lego is the king of random targeting.

He lied to implicate his target, by pointing to suspicious posting behavior then admiting that the posting behavior of that target was not suspicious

Then he protects Starseed hard.

If your looking for mob, he's mob in behavior.

I want to look at HG15 voting behavior tomorrow, but he started off completely random as well.


Those two would be my primary suspects for mafia. I stated that if Starseed flipped mafia that Lego would be a primary suspect for a mob flip.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by flameswin

To be honest, oling-roachinen and Rathji's analysis of me is so bad that I'm not even going to fight it.

You defend mafia multiple times, get pointed out for defending mafia, then say analysis is so bad?

The only reason I didn't vote for you is because your actions are so blatant that mafia would never do it but if you aren't mafia you were playing right into their hand. Not mine or Rathji's fault there.

[Oling_Roachinen]

unvote

Vote: flameswin

His crybaby tactic for having suspicion cast on him for suspicious behavior is way over the top. He's voted town each time up until starseed who he said was town like 15 times yesterday. I've only really called out starseed and Crazy Bacon Legs prior to him, funny he would say my analysis is so bad when he's hurt the town far more than I have. There's never a point for town members to get defensive enough that they are hoping other town die. Explain reasons, not cry because you fell for starseed if you are a townsperson.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Much to my complete and utter shock, I awaken to find myself awake. As in... alive. Fascinating. Shame about losing Aeneas and Street Pharmacist though.

Looks like I was bang on with the starseed thing, huh? Isn't that interesting, people? Well, isn't it? Looks like starseed was a lying liar who LIES!

Here is the part where I directly taunt the mafia a second time:

It sure looks like my taunting of the mafia worked last round. Neither faction wanted to vote for me because each thought the other would, perhaps? Shame if that happens again, isn't it, SCUM? Looks like we managed to ferret out one of your little ferrets. Fear us, for we bring this town JUSTICE.

Let's keep this anti-mafia train rolling. Maybe when we lynch a Barrow mafia guy, Oling_Roachinen will finally drop his strange obsession with me. What's the deal with that, anyhow?

My primary suspects now:

- flameswin
- CofR
- Baxter Renegade
- Hockeyguy15

I am willing to vote for any of the above, but I am leaning heavily toward flameswin. His voting patterns along with his "Gosh, I am sure a townsperson!" persona and his all-over-the-place strategies have me quite suspicious.

Frankly, flameswin is a really smart guy and if he were a townie, I would expect he would be at the top of the list to be identifying enemies. His voting town consistently until that pattern was pointed out, and then suddenly he's mafia hunter #1? Too convenient if you ask me.

I fully expected voting patterns to shift after the patterns I pointed our prior to the last round, and they did. I'll look more at the last round and crunch it in my number-cruncher (it's like a paper shredder, only with more LEDs.)

In the meantime:

vote: flameswin