The Alison Redford transgressions thread. Update- Redford quits.

[Senator Clay Davis]

So it was the PCs who forced those Wildrose crazies to say the things they said? Or for Smith to have a pathetically weak response? What it showcases is the margin for error for the Wildrose is razor thin. For instance if I was the PCs I'd introduce the exact same non-binding support gay clubs motion the Wildrose just totally voted against a few weeks out from the election. Give them enough rope to hang themselves again. But even one Wildrose candidate making bigoted remarks in the next campaign pretty much ends their chances. They are looking up at the NDP and Liberals in terms of seats in Calgary and Edmonton. Anything that approaches bigoted comments and it might be a repeat of that in 2016.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So it was the PCs who forced those Wildrose crazies to say the things they said? Or for Smith to have a pathetically weak response? What it showcases is the margin for error for the Wildrose is razor thin. For instance if I was the PCs I'd introduce the exact same non-binding support gay clubs motion the Wildrose just totally voted against a few weeks out from the election. Give them enough rope to hang themselves again. But even one Wildrose candidate making bigoted remarks in the next campaign pretty much ends their chances. They are looking up at the NDP and Liberals in terms of seats in Calgary and Edmonton. Anything that approaches bigoted comments and it might be a repeat of that in 2016.

LOL you mean the motion that was killed by the PC party!?!

The Wildrose already has attracted more votes than the NDP ever has, and the Liberals for nearly every election as well.

Let's be honest, there's only 2 parties that have a remote chance of forming government. Especially when Liberal voters insist upon supporting the PC charade of deficit financing a big government agenda.

Revisionist recent history is revisionist.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

What it showcases is the margin for error for the Wildrose is razor thin.

Last time I think it was more of a WR's blunder forcing people to strategically vote to block them instead of WR losing votes. Better the devil I know was the saying.

It's like you hated your job and was offered an new job. But soon as someone said something bad about the new company, you go back to the same hell hole that you hated and not take the plunge to a potentially brigther future.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

LOL you mean the motion that was killed by the PC party!?!

The Wildrose already has attracted more votes than the NDP ever has, and the Liberals for nearly every election as well.

Let's be honest, there's only 2 parties that have a remote chance of forming government. Especially when Liberal voters insist upon supporting the PC charade of deficit financing a big government agenda.

Revisionist recent history is revisionist.

Yes, because that was the headline coming out of that: PCs block bill....I'm pretty sure I saw that headline....0 times. But Wildrose votes against gay bill? Yeah I saw that many times, like it or not. But that's politics. The PCs didn't go 100%-0 with their vote, the Wildrose did. There's the difference.

And it wasn't Liberals supporting the PCs, it was Liberals blocking the Wildrose. Slight difference I know, but the same people who went to block the Wildrose last time will again do it next time. Which is why the margin for error is so thin.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yes, because that was the headline coming out of that: PCs block bill....I'm pretty sure I saw that headline....0 times. But Wildrose votes against gay bill? Yeah I saw that many times, like it or not. But that's politics. The PCs didn't go 100%-0 with their vote, the Wildrose did. There's the difference.

And it wasn't Liberals supporting the PCs, it was Liberals blocking the Wildrose. Slight difference I know, but the same people who went to block the Wildrose last time will again do it next time. Which is why the margin for error is so thin.

Sorry I'm confused. Are you suggesting the media propose to raise the bill that the PC's voted down? Or are you suggesting the PC's raise the Liberal bill they voted down to re-vote it down as their own?

Unfortunately the media doesn't always reflect the reality of a situation. IE: don't believe everything you read.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Last time, PC got 44% and WR 34% of the popular votes. My guess is the WR 34% were solid and hard votes and the PC 44% incorporate some strategic votes and union votes bought by Redford.

WR doesn't need much more than than 1/3 of the popular votes next time to form a minority government assuming the strategic voters will not back the PC and there's no reason for the unions to vote PC anymore.

I would say anything close to 40% of popular votes will get WR in.

I'm not sure you can say the Wildrose's 34% is 'solid'. Wildrose basically formed as a result of people disaffected with the Tories. It stands to reason that if the PC party can regain a level of trust, it can regain those votes. Wildrose as a party is just too young to have a good idea of where their solid support may lie.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Daradon

It's not arrogance. Its more indifference than anything. And a knowledge of history. But I do enjoy the impotent rage on the other side.

Not sure how your quote does anything but help my argument. Redford gone, meaningless mea culpa, and the PC's are swinging again.

Whether what they said is true or not, whether its lip service or not, it puts them back in the center and stronger than last week.

The boat ain't sinking... There is no crisis here as much as Wildrose supporters want to think it is.

Did you forget about the PC party debt and it's fund raising problems?

Annual financial statements filed with Elections Alberta on Monday show the long-governing Tory party — once home to a storied war chest — has used $1.1 million of its operating line of credit. In 2013, the Tories brought in $2.86 million in total revenue, and ran a $136,000 deficit.

Mount Royal University political scientist Duane Bratt in Calgary said the $136,000 deficit is astonishing in a non-election year.

“With all the tools at their disposal, every governing party, regardless of whether it’s a minority, a majority or a dynasty, should always have a fundraising edge,” Bratt said.

“They’re in trouble, and it’s going to get worse, because they’re going into a leadership race. Every dollar that goes to an individual candidate is not going to go to the party.”

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Alber...333/story.html

[calgarygeologist]

I heard on the news today, during as part of the Hancock speech, that the Government made a video commemorating the previous Premiers and the purposely left out Redford because they were ashamed of her.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lots of people may jump ship this time rather than just talk about it. I know I will.

You've made your mind up on an election 2 years from now based on the transgressions of party leadership no longer associated with the party?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You've made your mind up on an election 2 years from now based on the transgressions of party leadership no longer associated with the party?

Pretty much. I never say never though but the PC's have become far too complacent and I actually want to see things changed up for a term.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Last time I think it was more of a WR's blunder forcing people to strategically vote to block them instead of WR losing votes. Better the devil I know was the saying.

It's like you hated your job and was offered an new job. But soon as someone said something bad about the new company, you go back to the same hell hole that you hated and not take the plunge to a potentially brigther future.

No. It's more like I didn't really like my job and was interviewing with a company, and during the interview the manager I'm interviewing with said "Gays should burn in a lake of fire" and the CEO overheard it and said "yeah he can say whatever he wants around here" and I thought, "What kind of #### show is this place".

[Dion]

PS, Tories love you! Is Alison Redford leading predators away from her party? Or what?

That said, has it occurred to anyone that Redford is doing her duty -- to her party, anyway, if not to the voters of Calgary-Elbow?

After all, if the PCs are to pull off one more election victory -- or even just to survive the next general election as a functioning entity -- they need Redford to take the heat for all the party's problems over the past couple of years.

And what better way for that to happen than for the former premier to stay in the news behaving, you know, in a seemingly entitled fashion in a place like Lulu California Bistro?

Or maybe she's exacting her revenge on her caucus. Who knows? Not ordinary Albertans, that's for sure.

What matters is voters recognize that whatever has gone wrong after 43 years of Progressive Conservative rule in Alberta, it was manifestly not all Redford's fault!

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djcl...s-away-her-par

[RedHot25]

Mariam Ibrahim ‏@mariamdena 24m
Calgary-Elbow MLA Alison Redford has taken her seat in the assembly, @Graham_Journal reports. #ableg #ejlive


Mariam Ibrahim ‏@mariamdena 10m
Redford just did scrum. Says she took some personal time, worked on flood mitigation issues. #ableg #ejlive #yeg #yyc pic.twitter.com/EtbY5kF8Sv

Mariam Ibrahim ‏@mariamdena 8m
Redford didn't provide answers on #skypalace, her use of govt planes. Says we reported those stories, has nothing more to add. #ableg #yeg

Matt Dykstra ‏@SUNMattDykstra 49m
Former premier @A_RedfordMLA says theres "more than one way to serve your constituents other than being in QP" #ableg pic.twitter.com/ZsWRyIjet4

Serena Mah ‏@SerenaMahCTV 49m
Alison Redford returns to the house #ableg #yeg more than one way to serve constituents pic.twitter.com/qUWHJt8VC7

[Resolute 14]

Interesting. Thought she said she wouldn't be back at all for this session?

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You've made your mind up on an election 2 years from now based on the transgressions of party leadership no longer associated with the party?

Well, hard to claim the past leadership is no longer associated with the party when the past leadership is the Tory MLA for Calgary-Elbow...

[Dion]

Redford refused repeated interview requests from CBC News for both stories but on Monday she insisted she had responded.

"I've answered those questions," Redford told reporters in the scrum. "I am certainly not stepping back from anything that I did and I'm not adding anything else to that story. Do you have anything new or are we done?"

Specifically, in relation to the penthouse, Redford told reporters Monday that, “I know that I had representatives who provided you with information on our perspective. Reporters have written that story. You have all written that story.

“I don't think that anything is gained by continuing to comment on that story and I have nothing else to add,” she said.

On Monday, Redford said that while she did take some time to be with her family in Palm Springs, she was also working in her constituency.

"I know there are some people who believe the only way an MLA can be effective in doing their job is sitting in (question period),” she said. “I know for my constituents it matters that I am doing the work that I am doing.

“And I did also get to spend, for the first time in four years, some time with (daughter) Sarah, and (husband) Glen; first time ever we all took off together and, as you all know what I did on the holiday, I won't go into detail on that."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ture-1.2632787

[Resolute 14]

It says something that we've reached the point where each new revelation of wasted tax money goes relatively unnoticed.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...226/story.html

[Mr.Coffee]

Ridiculous. She was like a white collar criminal as Premier. Almost fraudulent in her activity. People like her deserve the book being thrown at them.

[troutman]

LOL - "Wurst restaurant incident"? Too much Kolsch?

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It says something that we've reached the point where each new revelation of wasted tax money goes relatively unnoticed.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...226/story.html

I keep thinking that I'd like to bust out a calculator and add up how much additional expenses she has caused.....

. Funds for the bunker
. Funds for the funeral flight
. Funds for the fundraising/hospital opening on the private jet
. Funds for extra security

Has to be $3.0 million easy.....plus I use I am missing a few line items

[calgarygeologist]

Is it only me that thinks her heavy need for security was uncalled for? Why was she so paranoid? I knew that woman was going to be trouble. Do leaders in other provinces have such a strong security presence? Did Stelmach?