The Alison Redford transgressions thread. Update- Redford quits.

[Resolute 14]

Since you obviously couldn't be bothered to read what I wrote, Daradon, I will repeat myself:

Well, you're deluding yourself if you think that a third of the voting population (Wildrose's total in the last election) is exclusively "grumpy old men".

If you aren't going to read it the second time either, please don't waste either of our time by replying.

[Daradon]

25 percent of people still support Rob Ford too...
I'd call em grumpy old men as well.

It must be so frustrating to be a Wildrose supporter. If people only saw what we see! Why won't they listen. We'd all be so much better off!

PS its not a waste of my time, thanks for your concern though.

[Erick Estrada]

Lots of people may jump ship this time rather than just talk about it. I know I will.

[Dion]

, and

Originally Posted by Daradon

They had a lead 48 hours before last election too.

But yeah, I'm deluding myself.

Fear mongering and buying up the union votes with promises they couldn't keep.......

Keep deluding yourself as they won't get the public sector unions votes this time around. You can only fool a group of people once. Bills 9, 45 amd 46 sealed their fate.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lots of people may jump ship this time rather than just talk about it. I know I will.

I guess we'll see. I wouldn't be against it. It's an interesting political exercise. We'll know for sure the relativity of the Wildrose then. In my opinion, I'm thinking they've crested, but I may be wrong. Facts are on my side however.

I am giggling because its the cartoon thats deluded. Not I. Its how Wildrose wants to see the situation. Again I wouldn't be terribly bent out of shape if they were right. But there is zero evidence to say they are. They are limited to their base more or less, there os nothing that they are doing that's endearing themselves to the larger public. PC's will win, Wildrose will keep their rural vote, I'll have a beer. Not in celebration, but because it'll just be another day.

Shoot, if the PC's did anything right the Wildrose wouldn't even be a argument. They're just a large protest vote in a province that knows its government is bad, but has no alternative.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Dion

, and

Fear mongering and buying up the union votes with promises they couldn't keep.......

Keep deluding yourself as they won't get the public sector unions votes this time around. You can only fool a group of people once. Bills 9, 45 amd 46 sealed their fate.

Care to make it interesting?

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by Dion

You can only fool a group of people once

This just isn't true. People will continue to repeat the same actions, no matter how negative the impact on their lives, over and over again as long as it lines up with their personal interests.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I guess we'll see. I wouldn't be against it. It's an interesting political exercise. We'll know for sure the relativity of the Wildrose then. In my opinion, I'm thinking they've crested, but I may be wrong. Facts are on my side however.

I am giggling because its the cartoon thats deluded. Not I. Its how Wildrose wants to see the situation. Again I wouldn't be terribly bent out of shape if they were right. But there is zero evidence to say they are. They are limited to their base more or less, there os nothing that they are doing that's endearing themselves to the larger public. PC's will win, Wildrose will keep their rural vote, I'll have a beer. Not in celebration, but because it'll just be another day.

Shoot, if the PC's did anything right the Wildrose wouldn't even be a argument. They're just a large protest vote in a province that knows its government is bad, but has no alternative.

Compared to the entitlement and corruption in the PC party, I'd say the WRP would be a pleasent alternative to the old boys club.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

This just isn't true. People will continue to repeat the same actions, no matter how negative the impact on their lives, over and over again as long as it lines up with their personal interests.

What could be gained by the unions after the PC's brought in bills 9, 45 and 46. The public sector unions see the PC party as a threat to their pensions, wages and benefits.

[mustache ride]

Last time it was anyone but wildrose and strategic voting. Do you see it any different this time?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Care to make it interesting?

Instead of offering up a bet.....

Tell me what policy changes the PC is going to make to lure back voters and especially the public sector unions?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Dion

Instead of offering up a bet.....

Tell me what policy changes the PC is going to make to lure back voters and especially the public sector unions?

Easy. Zero.

They'll still win though.

I'm not defending them. I don't like them. But its not how the opposition paints the picture.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Last time it was anyone but wildrose and strategic voting. Do you see it any different this time?

Last time it was mistakes made by Smith that cost her the election. Lake of fire candidates, stance on global warming, etc. I've talked to her on a couple of occassions and I thunk she has learned her lessons from the last election.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Dion

Last time it was mistakes made by Smith that cost her the election. Lake of fire candidates, stance on global warming, etc. I've talked to her on a couple of occassions and I thunk she has learned her lessons from the last election.

Dion's on the case!

(Sorry more people should be engaged and in politics, just the first reading of your post made me smile. It is a good thing though)

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Easy. Zero.

They'll still win though.

I'm not defending them. I don't like them. But its not how the opposition paints the picture.

At least the PC party isn't as arrogant as you are....

"We took Albertans and your support for granted and acted in a way that's contrary to our values," Hancock said at the party's annual Edmonton fundraising dinner.

"I'm truly sorry that we allowed government to become a distraction from the vital work we're doing on issues that matter to Alberta.

"I'm sorry we damaged Albertans' confidence in our party.

"I apologize for losing touch with our grassroots, for not listening to you the way we should have. This behaviour is just not acceptable."

"We did get some things wrong, but we will demonstrate how we're changing through our policies, practices and legislation."

"I've asked each and everyone one of my colleagues to be here on the stage with me," he added, "because this is the leader's dinner, and each and every one of these people is a leader in our communities and in Alberta."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...tans-1.2629184

[Daradon]

It's not arrogance. Its more indifference than anything. And a knowledge of history. But I do enjoy the impotent rage on the other side.

Not sure how your quote does anything but help my argument. Redford gone, meaningless mea culpa, and the PC's are swinging again.

Whether what they said is true or not, whether its lip service or not, it puts them back in the center and stronger than last week.

The boat ain't sinking... There is no crisis here as much as Wildrose supporters want to think it is.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I guess we'll see. I wouldn't be against it. It's an interesting political exercise. We'll know for sure the relativity of the Wildrose then. In my opinion, I'm thinking they've crested, but I may be wrong. Facts are on my side however.

I am giggling because its the cartoon thats deluded. Not I. Its how Wildrose wants to see the situation. Again I wouldn't be terribly bent out of shape if they were right. But there is zero evidence to say they are. They are limited to their base more or less, there os nothing that they are doing that's endearing themselves to the larger public. PC's will win, Wildrose will keep their rural vote, I'll have a beer. Not in celebration, but because it'll just be another day.

Shoot, if the PC's did anything right the Wildrose wouldn't even be a argument. They're just a large protest vote in a province that knows its government is bad, but has no alternative.

My thinking is that the two last PC leaders have been so poor that it's worth giving another party a shot to see if they can do better. Even if the WR party is pretty meh for a term I can't imagine Smith being worse than the last two PC leaders. Another positive is that the PC has a term to get their act together rather than just put lipstick on a pig in Prentice and carry on with their arrogance and contempt for Alberta tax payers. The party has been on a decline since Klein's last term and they all need a timeout and re-set.

It's not that I am a big supporter of WR but I can simply no longer support the PC. I'd vote Liberal if I thought they had a better chance at winning but they don't so WR for me.

[troutman]

The difficulty for the Wild Rose, is we've seen to what extent many Albertans will go to block them. The PCs fired their leader mid-term. Liberals and NDPs voted for the PCs last time around. New migrants to Alberta are generally younger, urban and more liberal.

To form a government, what % of Albertans will have to vote WR?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

My thinking is that the two last PC leaders have been so poor that it's worth giving another party a shot to see if they can do better. Even if the WR party is pretty meh for a term I can't imagine Smith being worse than the last two PC leaders. Another positive is that the PC has a term to get their act together rather than just put lipstick on a pig in Prentice and carry on with their arrogance and contempt for Alberta tax payers. The party has been on a decline since Klein's last term and they all need a timeout and re-set.

It's not that I am a big supporter of WR but I can simply no longer support the PC. I'd vote Liberal if I thought they had a better chance at winning but they don't so WR for me.

And thats very fair. Nothing wrong with that.

Alberta needs to recycle its goverments. Everyone gripes about Quebec politics and voting habits but even they are more nuanced than us.

I want to get behind the WR banner, they just haven't sold me yet, and I'm beginning to see, that at least in this situation, I'm the typical AB voter. Dissatisfied with the PC's but not convinced of the WR.

To be fair though I've only voted for the PC's once in 20 years, so that's where things change.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by troutman

To form a government, what % of Albertans will have to vote WR?

Last time, PC got 44% and WR 34% of the popular votes. My guess is the WR 34% were solid and hard votes and the PC 44% incorporate some strategic votes and union votes bought by Redford.

WR doesn't need much more than than 1/3 of the popular votes next time to form a minority government assuming the strategic voters will not back the PC and there's no reason for the unions to vote PC anymore.

I would say anything close to 40% of popular votes will get WR in.