CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[starseed]

Originally Posted by GGG

Benefits of Lynching Active stick
- inactive no big loss
- lynching him if he flips town puts suspicion on strombad, and Legoman both of who were singlemindedly focused on one player.
Dangers
- activestick is the cop/doctor and slow playing until he can make a contribuition

I think that summerizes the evidence against activestick. I could vote for him but I still perfer Starseed based on him not appearing on any of Biazro's lists, and his support of the ineedanother strategy. Early on in the game I thought that the support of ineed was an indicator of being town until someone pointed out that ineed posted his first list of suspects before being forced to use his kill.

...and wait, why would you list activestick as being a possible cop in the possible benefits of lynching him? Did you mean that those benefits were from bizaro's perspective?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Posting style to me means very little, this game forces you to change your posting style.

especially with the new players. Personally I'm trying to find slip ups and things that look like mistaken logic, random targeting or misleading statements. Even in game three its really almost too soon to look at voting history.

I mean to be frank, I was killed in the last game due to posting style.

I didn't vote for ya, just say.....

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GGG

So I think it is safe to say that Activestick is not part of Bizaro's mafia. I posted a list of people who were inactive during Vig reveal which was as follows

Dsal - poster once immediately after reveal and not again
Agulati - posted once immediately after reveal and not again
Legoman - didnt discuss vig, Stombad also suspects
Activestick - Didnt discuss vig
CBL - didnt discuss Vig
UCB - didnt discuss Vig
Oling - didnt discuss vig

The following didn't post
Aneas - posted shortly after card flip
Baxter Renagade - generally inactive
Flameswin
Dropit

Bizaro, yesterday stated he want to pursue this lead.

Evidence for Activestick
- inactive poster (In my opinion a poor indicator this game)
- Strombad
- inactive during Vig reveal - we got a few dead townies on that list though so the theory might be garbage.
- Voted for both townies lynched

Benefits of Lynching Active stick
- inactive no big loss
- lynching him if he flips town puts suspicion on strombad, and Legoman both of who were singlemindedly focused on one player.
Dangers
- activestick is the cop/doctor and slow playing until he can make a contribuition

I think that summerizes the evidence against activestick. I could vote for him but I still perfer Starseed based on him not appearing on any of Biazro's lists, and his support of the ineedanother strategy. Early on in the game I thought that the support of ineed was an indicator of being town until someone pointed out that ineed posted his first list of suspects before being forced to use his kill.

that's pretty logical,


Like I said Starseed and Legoman look like prime suspects to me. I believe Halifax was in individual debates with the last two people that got night killed, one iirc was a townie the other was a mob. That to me is something that bears investigating.

I look at the above and add it to the fact that I caught Lego Man in a pretty blatent lie where he wanted to swing a vote based on a random number generation, that screams to me mafia trying to thin the heard out, that's why I voted for him.

HG15 to me is still under suspicion because of his actions in the first couple of days.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

that's pretty logical,


Like I said Starseed and Legoman look like prime suspects to me. I believe Halifax was in individual debates with the last two people that got night killed, one iirc was a townie the other was a mob. That to me is something that bears investigating.

I look at the above and add it to the fact that I caught Lego Man in a pretty blatent lie where he wanted to swing a vote based on a random number generation, that screams to me mafia trying to thin the heard out, that's why I voted for him.

HG15 to me is still under suspicion because of his actions in the first couple of days.

Without having to sift through a mountain of posts, which lie did you catch him in? He seemed genuine to me. I have him in my likely town pile

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Without having to sift through a mountain of posts, which lie did you catch him in? He seemed genuine to me. I have him in my likely town pile

Lego, he threw an accusation at Completely, basically saying that his posting style made him suspicious that he was hiding something.

Then he talked about using a random number generator that put Completely at the top.

Then when I pushed him on what was suspicious of the Completely's posting, he bascially said there was nothing suspicious about it.

His first post

Looking at it from a neutral point of view... it looks like too stupid of a mistake for Mafia to make. My intuition tells me it was a mistake.

Odds are we will vote out a townsperson regardless at this stage of the game, so I'm not too bothered.

Has anyone considered voting for Completely? His posting style suggest he is hiding something...

then his second, suspicious statement in bold

I'm going to be completely honest here. (pun intended)

That post where I randomized the list of everyone here was actually legit, and Completely landed on top.

After that, I thought to myself... how great would it be if he actually turned out to be Scum? It would be pretty darn amusing. And so I began campaigning against Completely.

I firmly believe he is scum based on that random generator. As firmly as a Catholic person believes in God.

Other than that, Completely hasn't given me any real reason to be suspicious - like mostly everyone here.

then he talks about random lynch, which is a good way for Mob to think the heard when your unsure in the first few days

I've made my opinions known, and i'm not going to attack a poster here based on their posts that could be read in 10 different way depending on situation.

I think it's more useful at this point in the game for the town to randomly lynch. I don't see how that is not taking a serious position. I've read this whole thread and frankly I don't subscribe to anyone's theories and accusations yet. In my opinion, anyone who has such a hard stance at this early point in the game is someone we should be wary of.

Enough info just isn't out their yet.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Like I said Starseed and Legoman look like prime suspects to me. I believe Halifax was in individual debates with the last two people that got night killed, one iirc was a townie the other was a mob. That to me is something that bears investigating.

Please investigate my posts, once starseed is found to be Barrow Mafia then I would have had beefs with members of both sides. I do regret Delgar being taken out, his dog would poop on my lawn but I didn't want him killed for it.

I am kinda scared that Parker is going to target me for a nightkill to frame starseed. I may start a Mafia turf war.

Save a Drunk, vote starseed.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by starseed

...and wait, why would you list activestick as being a possible cop in the possible benefits of lynching him? Did you mean that those benefits were from bizaro's perspective?

I have that listed under Dangers. Not under benifits.

[Lego Man]

I get it CC, the way I worded those posts don't mesh perfectly. I'm not the first person to make a wording mistake in this game. Maybe wording mistakes aren't the best way to find scum? Just a thought.

I was being sarcastic. Merely an attempt to trivialize how meaningless and unfounded it is to accuse people during the first few days. Obviously, my point has been proven with our wonderful voting record. So go ahead and vote for me every day, but what you'll find is you've wasted your time.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by GGG

I have that listed under Dangers. Not under benifits.

Wow... reading comprehension...

I think if he were a cop, he would not have listed ineedanother in his list of people to watch.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by starseed

You neglected to mention how bizarro tried to steer the vote away from activestick and transplant, which I think is much stronger evidence than activeStick's activity level. That list has a lot of names on it, he could have had the intention to direct attention to only a couple on that list, then have everyone else abandon the other names.

You are also pressing hard on the angle of me not being on any bizarro targeted list, but that is a pretty weak accusation considering how many people would have been off the lists bizarro went after. As I have already said, the strategy of following a known townie's lead is pretty sound, and I can only see a scenario where the mafia would oppose it. I hate to be the guy who discourages discussion on suspicions, but you have also been throwing around a lot of suspicion since the early accusation against you... which is probably exactly what the mafia would try to do.

I am going to keep my vote on activeStick at this point.

I did not notice Bizaro steering votes away from active and transplant was that on day 1 based on the follow ineed strategy or did he do it on day 2 as well? If he did it on day 2 I would be interested in seeing that post.

As for Bizaro's lists I really should compile them all but there was CC's, Ineeds, and mine all that Bizaro was comfortable pursuing so it actually covers a pretty big scope.

My main suspicion of you is the Ineed should control the vote, when the other main proponent of the ineed should control the vote just flipped mafia. The other stuff is purely circumstantial.

I think throwing around suspicion is valuable, I point out the things I think are suspicious, others to do, if we don't point out suspicions then we are essentially working alone. Also when we die and flip town that becomes a genuine record of our thoughts, they might not be accurate but at least they can be evaluated on the basis of logic and not mistrust. I have tried to make my lists clear and the logic behind them.

The one drawback of lynching active stick is that if he filps town his opinion on what has been suspicious is lost as he hasn't posted much.

Starseed, Activestick, Legoman for me today, Lego and Active stick can be reversed.

[starseed]

CC, I think the problem with jumping on those mistakes was shown with agulati. We can keep this in the backburner and keep an eye on him, but I think we have to jump on solid leads from the known mafia member at this point. Starting with suspects he was helping to lead votes away from.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

I did not notice Bizaro steering votes away from active and transplant was that on day 1 based on the follow ineed strategy or did he do it on day 2 as well? If he did it on day 2 I would be interested in seeing that post.

As for Bizaro's lists I really should compile them all but there was CC's, Ineeds, and mine all that Bizaro was comfortable pursuing so it actually covers a pretty big scope.

My main suspicion of you is the Ineed should control the vote, when the other main proponent of the ineed should control the vote just flipped mafia. The other stuff is purely circumstantial.

I think throwing around suspicion is valuable, I point out the things I think are suspicious, others to do, if we don't point out suspicions then we are essentially working alone. Also when we die and flip town that becomes a genuine record of our thoughts, they might not be accurate but at least they can be evaluated on the basis of logic and not mistrust. I have tried to make my lists clear and the logic behind them.

The one drawback of lynching active stick is that if he filps town his opinion on what has been suspicious is lost as he hasn't posted much.

Starseed, Activestick, Legoman for me today, Lego and Active stick can be reversed.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The reason I was in favour of following ineedanother into hmmhmmcamo is that we know he is town, so even if he's not 100% right we don't need to worry about his motives. The fact that the voting for hmmhmmcamo has fizzled out and now people have moved on to Active Stick and Transplan99 makes me a bit suspicious. Not that I'm sure Active Stick and Transplant99 are town, but more that I'm suspicious of the motives of those who directed attention away from voting hmmhmmcamo.

At this point I think we're at risk of having a split vote and not lynching anyone, which I think hurts us as we lose out on information from both the voting patterns and the card flip.

I'm keeping my vote for now, and will try and go through the thread again to see if I can figure anything else out.

Here it is.

[Street Pharmacist]

I don't know that's a lie per se, and a Random vote is all you have on day one.

My approach is to look for townies early on, rather than mafia as they're usually easier to spot.

The reason for that is mafia will make posts that townies will make, but not necessarily vice versa. Every post mafia makes is thought out to look town and car suspicion, but townies are generally more curious.

Consequently, I more come to people's defense than point out suspicions, especially early when there's little truly suspicious activity to go on

[CofR]

Agree with sp and cc, posting style isn't really one of the ways I'm judging people this game... Personally I'm looking at the content (or lack of) in people's posts. Such as accusations made against players that are killed.

[jayswin]

Really not a fan of how this day is going. Just an fyi for any townies watching this unfold, here's what you're likely witnessing;

Some townies innocently trying to find out who to vote for, but a lot of;

Mafia trying to get the group going a certain direction or away from a certain direction. Now what muddies the waters is having two mafia groups. In the first game you had one mafia group, so these early game days were a lot more fluid.

Now what you have is two mafia groups in their own forums coming up with ideas on what to say in this thread to steer everyone away or to certain posters. So what we're likely witnessing is a big jumble of two mafia groups trying to gain a strangle hold on our collective "group think".

Could be wrong I guess, but if I'm looking for a noticeable difference from last game, I'd say this is it.

[CofR]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Really not a fan of how this day is going. Just an fyi for any townies watching this unfold, here's what you're likely witnessing;

Some townies innocently trying to find out who to vote for, but a lot of;

Mafia trying to get the group going a certain direction or away from a certain direction. Now what muddies the waters is having two mafia groups. In the first game you had one mafia group, so these early game days were a lot more fluid.

Now what you have is two mafia groups in their own forums coming up with ideas on what to say in this thread to steer everyone away or to certain posters. So what we're likely witnessing is a big jumble of two mafia groups trying to gain a strangle hold on our collective "group think".

Could be wrong I guess, but if I'm looking for a noticeable difference from last game, I'd say this is it.

I didn't play in last game, at what point did we start figuring it out and start lynching mafia?

[starseed]

Originally Posted by GGG

I did not notice Bizaro steering votes away from active and transplant was that on day 1 based on the follow ineed strategy or did he do it on day 2 as well? If he did it on day 2 I would be interested in seeing that post.

As for Bizaro's lists I really should compile them all but there was CC's, Ineeds, and mine all that Bizaro was comfortable pursuing so it actually covers a pretty big scope.

My main suspicion of you is the Ineed should control the vote, when the other main proponent of the ineed should control the vote just flipped mafia. The other stuff is purely circumstantial.

I think throwing around suspicion is valuable, I point out the things I think are suspicious, others to do, if we don't point out suspicions then we are essentially working alone. Also when we die and flip town that becomes a genuine record of our thoughts, they might not be accurate but at least they can be evaluated on the basis of logic and not mistrust. I have tried to make my lists clear and the logic behind them.

The one drawback of lynching active stick is that if he filps town his opinion on what has been suspicious is lost as he hasn't posted much.

Starseed, Activestick, Legoman for me today, Lego and Active stick can be reversed.

The votes were going toward activeStick, CBL, tranny, and legoman from a quick look. (also, bizaro posted that lego should get a look today)

I will have to post the posts later on as I have to take off for the evening.

Flipping aS will indeed give us a list of suspects with people pushing for him, and pushing against him. There is a clear line being drawn, his flip could be telling.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by starseed

You neglected to mention how bizarro tried to steer the vote away from activestick and transplant, which I think is much stronger evidence than activeStick's activity level.

As I have already said, the strategy of following a known townie's lead is pretty sound, and I can only see a scenario where the mafia would oppose it.

I am a little confused here could you clarify your logic. Bizaro trying to steer the vote away from active and transplant makes active suspicious.

On Day 1 you were also trying to steer the vote away from active and transplant.

What is the difference between your two behavious as to why one is suspicious and the other isnt.

I could be missing something in your argument.

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by GGG

I am a little confused here could you clarify your logic. Bizaro trying to steer the vote away from active and transplant makes active suspicious.

On Day 1 you were also trying to steer the vote away from active and transplant.

What is the difference between your two behavious as to why one is suspicious and the other isnt.

I could be missing something in your argument.

One has been proved scum? lol

[Hockeyguy15]

I would say the difference is right now we know that bizaro was mafia.