CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If I was mafia, why would I wait until he posted here to change my vote?

Cause you guys talked outside the thread then posted here? I don't know man, I'm an ideas guy, damnit!

[devo22]

Pretty much rolled a dice and decided to vote transplant99 for now. I've been supicious of him for a long time, and even if he isn't mafia, he isn't exactly an asset to town either.

vote transplant99

[Hockeyguy15]

Interesting, I thought we would have seen activeStick voted out last night. It looks like a vote pile on didn't happen.

[starseed]

The fact that we didn't have hammer on the first night could be a good sign that we are on the right track. This is the first lead we had from a proven mafia, and now there are people throwing out competing votes.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by devo22

Pretty much rolled a dice and decided to vote transplant99 for now. I've been supicious of him for a long time, and even if he isn't mafia, he isn't exactly an asset to town either.

vote transplant99

It is this type of post that makes we wonder if you are mafia.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yes, so the town either did the mafia's dirty work for them because of Street Pharmacist's attitude of "rather him than me" or the mafia set in action a plan and people like Street Pharmacist were glad to go with it because "rather him than me." Either way that's the wrong way to approach the game, it's not to survive it's to kill mafia. And under no circumstances should the votes have been well over 15 at one point. It gave 0 opportunity to switch the votes before the hammer even if new information was found so the day was clear sailing for the mafia yesterday.



He spent a lot of effort gathering post count for everyone before he learned there was an easier way to see. It was in response to voting out based on inactivity, would make sense that his group took an effort to not appear inactive.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...28#post4745328
His list at the time for reference.

He also happens to mention Crazy Bacon Legs multiple times early on. Going so far as to say he wont vote for him.

Would be pretty bad strategy if you're mafia to say you wont vote for another mafia member in your group specifically because then you die and it becomes super obvious. But we are dealing with first time players.

He was also quick to point out Crazy Bacon Legs casted the hammer:


He's posted a lot about Crazy Bacon Legs. If you want to go on information about bizaro86 he's following a similar strategy to what I said starseed is doing with delegating responsibility (saying he will follow ineedanother) or going after big lists others put together. He just happens to have an added 'connection' with Crazy Bacon Legs.

It is a bit contradictory though as his low activity list had 1 post by Crazy Bacon Legs at the time but also made sure to point out his entertainment factor.

Originally Posted by flameswin

SP likes the reasoning and goes with it. Have other people agreed with reasoning of posts and changed votes? Yeah. Hell, I'm pretty sure I have. But again, going with our very little "for sure" info. Bizaro was mafia, SP switched his vote soon after Bizaro's post to a poster who really didn't have much suspicion. Trying to overwhelm the masses into thinking there's something there?

Not much, admittedly, but a start if we're going the more focused route based on a dead mafia instead of based on dozens of posters saying dozens of different things and knowing that several or more of them are mafia.

These are some good points.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It is this type of post that makes we wonder if you are mafia.

So are you going to be suspicious of everyone who votes transplant99? You did the same thing to me.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by kermitology

So are you going to be suspicious of everyone who votes transplant99? You did the same thing to me.

Are you Mafia like him?


There has been discussion about why people are voting:

UCB for Activestick
Captian Crunch for Legoman
Oling_Roachinen for Crazy Bacon Legs

Agree or don't agree but at least there is/are reasons given.

devo22 comes in says "pretty much rolled the dice", says he is suspicous, but give no reasons/example.

I make my post and you seem to come out defending devo22, so yeah, I think I will be suspicious of you.

Thanks

[devo22]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

devo22 comes in says "pretty much rolled the dice", says he is suspicous, but give no reasons/example.

^^

I was the first one who voted for transplant99, back on day 1. He brings nothing to the table other than rumbling about having a job and that real life gets in the way. He doesn't add anything to discussions and all of his votes have been given without any reasons. To me, he is either a mafia member who stays on the sideline deliberately or he is a bad townsperson. Even if he flips town, he adds NOTHING to us winning and that's why I voted for him.

I also have no problem voting for activeStick and I have said so a couple of times. Thing is that both guys are pretty good candidates for today's vote. Reasons for that are well documented in the thread and have been pointed out. If me not re-hashing those points makes me suspicious in your point of view, then so be it.

[kermitology]

You seem to ignore the posts that explain and rationalize the voting process and just trigger on someone voting.

[Street Pharmacist]

Why do people get so testy this time around? Or am I just reading too much spite and malice in these posts

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why do people get so testy this time around? Or am I just reading too much spite and malice in these posts

sounds like something that a mafia member hopped up on cheap olive oil and a three day cocaine bender would say.

[jayswin]

Yeah I'm willing to go with activestick or transplant. It seems my theory of going with the little facts we do know, aka sp being connected to bizaro86 isn't going to gain traction this time around, so my backup was odd posting style, which I think id put activestick and transplant at the top of the list for.

So let's really dig into activestick and transplant again and really look at what they've said/done wrong instead of basing a swing in votes on posters in here trying to sway everyone one way or the other, knowing there's lots of mafia among us. ( yes I realize the irony in that statement considering what I just said about sp).

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why do people get so testy this time around? Or am I just reading too much spite and malice in these posts

To me it's just been transplant and to a lesser degree, kermitology that have gotten testy at times. Both new to the game maybe. I don't know, last game everyone was really chill even when we were accusing eachother lol.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Yeah I'm willing to go with activestick or transplant. It seems my theory of going with the little facts we do know, aka sp being connected to bizaro86 isn't going to gain traction this time around, so my backup was odd posting style, which I think id put activestick and transplant at the top of the list for.

So let's really dig into activestick and transplant again and really look at what they've said/done wrong instead of basing a swing in votes on posters in here trying to sway everyone one way or the other, knowing there's lots of mafia among us. ( yes I realize the irony in that statement considering what I just said about sp).

Hope I'm not digging my own grave, but I think posting style is the wrong way to go. Any info at this stage is sketchy, but at least may build to something in the future. We just need to have something with a little substance that can be fleshed out as time goes by. Too much mud slinging and we get what we had on day 1.

I think we're a day or two away from having any good Intel though

[GGG]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Yeah I'm willing to go with activestick or transplant. It seems my theory of going with the little facts we do know, aka sp being connected to bizaro86 isn't going to gain traction this time around, so my backup was odd posting style, which I think id put activestick and transplant at the top of the list for.

So let's really dig into activestick and transplant again and really look at what they've said/done wrong instead of basing a swing in votes on posters in here trying to sway everyone one way or the other, knowing there's lots of mafia among us. ( yes I realize the irony in that statement considering what I just said about sp).

So I think it is safe to say that Activestick is not part of Bizaro's mafia. I posted a list of people who were inactive during Vig reveal which was as follows

Dsal - poster once immediately after reveal and not again
Agulati - posted once immediately after reveal and not again
Legoman - didnt discuss vig, Stombad also suspects
Activestick - Didnt discuss vig
CBL - didnt discuss Vig
UCB - didnt discuss Vig
Oling - didnt discuss vig

The following didn't post
Aneas - posted shortly after card flip
Baxter Renagade - generally inactive
Flameswin
Dropit

Bizaro, yesterday stated he want to pursue this lead.

Evidence for Activestick
- inactive poster (In my opinion a poor indicator this game)
- Strombad
- inactive during Vig reveal - we got a few dead townies on that list though so the theory might be garbage.
- Voted for both townies lynched

Benefits of Lynching Active stick
- inactive no big loss
- lynching him if he flips town puts suspicion on strombad, and Legoman both of who were singlemindedly focused on one player.
Dangers
- activestick is the cop/doctor and slow playing until he can make a contribuition

I think that summerizes the evidence against activestick. I could vote for him but I still perfer Starseed based on him not appearing on any of Biazro's lists, and his support of the ineedanother strategy. Early on in the game I thought that the support of ineed was an indicator of being town until someone pointed out that ineed posted his first list of suspects before being forced to use his kill.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Hope I'm not digging my own grave, but I think posting style is the wrong way to go. Any info at this stage is sketchy, but at least may build to something in the future. We just need to have something with a little substance that can be fleshed out as time goes by. Too much mud slinging and we get what we had on day 1.

I think we're a day or two away from having any good Intel though

Posting style to me means very little, this game forces you to change your posting style.

especially with the new players. Personally I'm trying to find slip ups and things that look like mistaken logic, random targeting or misleading statements. Even in game three its really almost too soon to look at voting history.

I mean to be frank, I was killed in the last game due to posting style.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Posting style to me means very little, this game forces you to change your posting style.

especially with the new players. Personally I'm trying to find slip ups and things that look like mistaken logic, random targeting or misleading statements. Even in game three its really almost too soon to look at voting history.

I mean to be frank, I was killed in the last game due to posting style.

Yep, and that was totally my fault.

But to be fair, it wasn't slightly different, you did a 180 from your usual posting style. It honestly was odd, and if it wasn't then all those other posters wouldn't have followed my lead.

[Hockeyguy15]

Bizaro also steered votes away from activeStick and towards hmmhmmcamo.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by GGG

So I think it is safe to say that Activestick is not part of Bizaro's mafia. I posted a list of people who were inactive during Vig reveal which was as follows

Dsal - poster once immediately after reveal and not again
Agulati - posted once immediately after reveal and not again
Legoman - didnt discuss vig, Stombad also suspects
Activestick - Didnt discuss vig
CBL - didnt discuss Vig
UCB - didnt discuss Vig
Oling - didnt discuss vig

The following didn't post
Aneas - posted shortly after card flip
Baxter Renagade - generally inactive
Flameswin
Dropit

Bizaro, yesterday stated he want to pursue this lead.

Evidence for Activestick
- inactive poster (In my opinion a poor indicator this game)
- Strombad
- inactive during Vig reveal - we got a few dead townies on that list though so the theory might be garbage.
- Voted for both townies lynched

Benefits of Lynching Active stick
- inactive no big loss
- lynching him if he flips town puts suspicion on strombad, and Legoman both of who were singlemindedly focused on one player.
Dangers
- activestick is the cop/doctor and slow playing until he can make a contribuition

I think that summerizes the evidence against activestick. I could vote for him but I still perfer Starseed based on him not appearing on any of Biazro's lists, and his support of the ineedanother strategy. Early on in the game I thought that the support of ineed was an indicator of being town until someone pointed out that ineed posted his first list of suspects before being forced to use his kill.

You neglected to mention how bizarro tried to steer the vote away from activestick and transplant, which I think is much stronger evidence than activeStick's activity level. That list has a lot of names on it, he could have had the intention to direct attention to only a couple on that list, then have everyone else abandon the other names.

You are also pressing hard on the angle of me not being on any bizarro targeted list, but that is a pretty weak accusation considering how many people would have been off the lists bizarro went after. As I have already said, the strategy of following a known townie's lead is pretty sound, and I can only see a scenario where the mafia would oppose it. I hate to be the guy who discourages discussion on suspicions, but you have also been throwing around a lot of suspicion since the early accusation against you... which is probably exactly what the mafia would try to do.

I am going to keep my vote on activeStick at this point.