CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[GGG]

Post = both in the above post

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Starseed was the first one to really suggest it though:

Funny how quickly you're here to defend him when there's even a slight accusation against him.

If ineedanother happens to produce 2 mafia members from different sides with his early accusations, Starseed would be about the first person I trust. However, if ineedanother's accusations turn up nothing I think Starseed should get very very heavy look which is more than reasonable considering he was the first to suggest it.

Originally Posted by GGG

In starseeds defense he posted that we should follow ineedanother before ineedanother picked mmmcamo as his target. So its not as if he knew who he was going to pick at that time. It was likely that he was going to pick one of the pileons though.

So if Starseed was mafia you would be looking and seeing none of the pileons on your list then hoping ineed picks someone in that group. Then backing the ineed picks who we vote for strategy. Problem is that it backfires as soon as ineed picks one of your four in the next day or to. So it seems like an unlikely gambit by starseed.

Based on this I believe starseed is townie.

I dont extend the same logic to people like flameswin who posted wanting to follow ineed after he picked or later on when that view became popular

For voting though I perfer transplant over Camo based on activity level. The evidence between the is the same. Post are Pile ons on ineed, one is actively defending himself, the other isnt. I will switch off transplant to the vote leader tonight though to ensure a lynch tomorrow.

Bah, you're right. I didn't look back that far, just assumed Oling was posting what he did just because of starseed's most recent post.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

In starseeds defense he posted that we should follow ineedanother before ineedanother picked mmmcamo as his target. So its not as if he knew who he was going to pick at that time. It was likely that he was going to pick one of the pileons though.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/newrepl...eply&p=4748548

Originally Posted by ineedanother

You this as an absolute. Saying that I can only prove I am the vigilante by killing someone. Right now all of the discussion is on me. I have my suspicion in who I think is mafia, but would like to hear somebody else's insights. I don't want to waste this ability because there is 8 votes against me. I do believe it is very likely that there are a few mafia that have voted for me. My list of my five most suspicious are in no particular order, would like to hear what other people think.

Timbo
GP_Matt
activeStick
hmmhmmcamo
Rathji

Here's his list before his vote though so it wasn't at all a surprise that ineedanother picked one of them as his vote. If you're mafia and none of those people (or any of the other people ineedanother has mentioned) are in your group you would be very happy to follow ineedanother for several rounds.

[strombad]

I'm just going to keep pushing for activestick until someone is lynched.

Though I have to say, absolutely think that one of hmmhmm or transplant99 are town. Just the way votes suddenly multiplied when it looked like they were gaining steam.

That, and the reasoning for those two is just as shakey as everyone else at this point. If I had to guess which was most likely mafia? Maybe transplant. BUT NOT AS MAFIA AS ACTIVESTICK.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Ok

I'm genuinely surprised his name isn't catching on at ALL.

[Street Pharmacist]

We need only 3 votes to end this day. We need a lynch, though we do have a bit more time. Can we get together to move this along?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by strombad

I'm just going to keep pushing for activestick until someone is lynched.

Though I have to say, absolutely think that one of hmmhmm or transplant99 are town. Just the way votes suddenly multiplied when it looked like they were gaining steam.

That, and the reasoning for those two is just as shakey as everyone else at this point. If I had to guess which was most likely mafia? Maybe transplant. BUT NOT AS MAFIA AS ACTIVESTICK.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Ok

I'm genuinely surprised his name isn't catching on at ALL.

With 2 mafias vote piling on isn't a good indicator of someone being a townie. Even if someone is mafia, the other mafia doesn't know that, and would still have an incentive to pile on.

[jayswin]

I'm good with Activestick (lol strombad), transplant, Baxter Renegade, or hmmhmmcamo, as those seem to be the front runners. Well, not Activestick, but strombad's soooo sure about him!.

Actually I'm good with almost anyone as it doesn't seem like we have any surefire guys right now, anyways, so let's just makes sure we're on the same page and not waste a day.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

With 2 mafias vote piling on isn't a good indicator of someone being a townie. Even if someone is mafia, the other mafia doesn't know that, and would still have an incentive to pile on.

Nothing is really telling until we move this along. Until there are about 20-22 players left IMO. Then we'll have more vote songs, etc to go on

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Nothing is really telling until we move this along. Until there are about 20-22 players left IMO. Then we'll have more vote songs, etc to go on

Vote songs? This guy's mafia!

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

We need only 3 votes to end this day. We need a lynch, though we do have a bit more time. Can we get together to move this along?

Everyone on SP?
Alright, let's do this.

[devo22]

at this point, I'm comfortable with either keeping my vote for hmmhmmcamo or changing it back to transplant99. Both are still suspicious to me, as is Baxter Renegade (pretty much for the same reason that transplant99 is - not posting for a couple days, but quickly popping up in the thread after being called out).

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Vote songs? This guy's mafia!

Swings

[Completely]

Originally Posted by starseed

I was going to wait a bit longer to see how this potential deflection was going to play out. I dont see why people arent picking up with the idea of voting as a block with the proven townsperson for at least the first couple rounds where we have little info to go on. If it is all based on flimsy evidence, lets let the known townsperson make the decision.

This is the most logical method to use, at least for rounds 1 and 2.

Personally i don't think thats the case, but i thought about it. I think the issue is, that our ex-viligante backed himself into a corner, and just didn't handle the stress of getting voted for well. I don't think that blindly following him because he is a proven townie is a good strategy. He shot timbo and that was questionable, however i cant blame him for what he did under pressure people make mistakes. I don't mean to attack you. Just didnt understand the logic behind your choices.

Unvote : Starseed

[Hockeyguy15]

unvote

Hardest vote out of the last 2 games. I'll need to go do some re-reading before I vote for transplant or activeStick.

[Hockeyguy15]

I don't know why I said activeStick, I meant hmmhmmcamo.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I don't know why I said activeStick, I meant hmmhmmcamo.

Because you know I'm right.

[Rathji]

We are running out of time, so we need to decide between one of our 2 frontrunners so we don't end up screwing up the lynch.

I just flipped through things here to review the situation on both hmmhmmcamo and tranny, in case I missed something earlier.

With transplant99, he is fairly inactive, so even if he is a Townie, he isn't going to be overly useful for the town and, as someone else mentioned, it helps scum hide if townies are inactive.

With hmmhmmcamo, him being willing to lynch ineedanother without waiting for the proof of the vig kill is somewhat telling, plus he has the fact that a confirmed townie is voting for him. (Of course, in this situation choosing between these 2, I know I am a townie as well, so that fact has much less importance to me).

Right now, there are almost equal votes for both. If support for hmmhmmcamo grows to beyond transplant99, I will switch before the end of the day today, but in the interest of getting this vote done as soon as we can, I will leave my vote committed to tranny for now, since he has a largest vote count.

[Rathji]

crap, I got the numbers backwards for them somehow.

Since hmmhmmcamo is actually ahead, I will switch my vote to him:

Unvote

vote:hmmhmmcamo

[Rathji]

Just so people don't need to do math or scroll posts for current count between these 2

hmmhmmcamo (8): ineedanother, starseed, Aeneas, devo22, GP_Matt, bizaro86, Street Pharmacist, Rathji
transplant99 (5): GGG, undercoverbrother, hmmhmmcamo, kermitology, flameswin

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Here's my issue with you jumping on the bandwagon so quickly though. While I agree that ineeedanother's motive is obviously town aligned, he doesn't have any additional information. In fact he has less as all townspersons know at least 2 people who are townpersons now where he can only confirm himself.

He's listed about 6 people he's suspicious of in his posts, but like Timbo he could be just as wrong. Or even if he's named a mafia, the other side isn't aware that he has. So if you're mafia and the 6 people that ineedanother has picked as suspicious don't include any of your mafia friends of course it's easy to say follow ineedanother for a couple rounds. It would be different if ineeedanother didn't include the people he was suspicious of and we all just agreed to follow his vote when he made it, but since the mafia knows who his targets are as long as they aren't with them they are happy to continue to push this objective.

If none of ineedanother's suspsect end up being mafia, or only include one mafia group, I'm going to say you should end up being a big suspect here.

Before giving his list that included hmmhmmcamo, I posted this post:

Originally Posted by starseed

I think we should stick to ineedanother's suggestions in the early days, as they are the only ones guaranteed to not be made by mafia. I am holding off until tomorrow, then I will vote as a block with ineedanother's choice.

I already committed to this strategy. I think he did give three more suspects before I posted that, but he didnt choose one of them, and Timbo wasn't one of them.

I believe that if we have nothing substantial to go on, our best bet is to just vote for whomever ineedanother votes for, as it is a guaranteed townsperson choice. Everyone elses choices, suspicions, etc. could be coming from a possible mafia person.