CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Timbo]

Am i dead yet?

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by starseed

Also: hmmhmmcamo and maybe HD?

What made you throw out my name? Care to back that up? Yes, this makes me suspicious of you.

I have been trying hard to post ideas that protect the town's interests and make sense of things. It did lead to some discussion with HG15 and Delgar but I defended my posts/reasoning. Why me?

[starseed]

Originally Posted by GGG

Careful with the votes, we dont want to run kermit out before the Timbo flip.

There is a very small chance that ineedanother just bolded the word kill and our real vig is just inactive right now.

Waiting for the flip is a good idea anyway, but ineedanother would have broken the rules in posting a fake day action, which would mean that he has to be the real vigilante.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by GGG

Careful with the votes, we dont want to run kermit out before the Timbo flip.

There is a very small chance that ineedanother just bolded the word kill and our real vig is just inactive right now.

Running kermitology out has nothing to do with whether Timbo is town or mafia. It's very possible that if Timbo is mafia kermitology is still town. But he's either mafia or playing frustrated and reckless. Neither of which is going to help.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

What made you throw out my name? Care to back that up? Yes, this makes me suspicious of you.

I have been trying hard to post ideas that protect the town's interests and make sense of things. It did lead to some discussion with HG15 and Delgar but I defended my posts/reasoning. Why me?

It is tenuous, but based on earlier defensiveness/vibe, and that you were quick to join Timbo with the ineedanother vote. You may have dressed it up with doubt, but it was still a vote that was leading to added pressure rushing ineedanother to act early.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by strombad

Running kermitology out has nothing to do with whether Timbo is town or mafia. It's very possible that if Timbo is mafia kermitology is still town. But he's either mafia or playing frustrated and reckless. Neither of which is going to help.

I agree with you but until the cardflip we dont know with 100% certainty that the daykill actually worked. Its 99% certain now but we might as well wait.

[Timbo]

The logic in this thread reminds me of Monty Python witch scene lol

[GGG]

Originally Posted by starseed

Waiting for the flip is a good idea anyway, but ineedanother would have broken the rules in posting a fake day action, which would mean that he has to be the real vigilante.

I didnt realize a fake day action was against the rules. Then it doesnt really matter if we wait or not. My preference is to wait for the flip but if people like CC wont be around later it makes sense for them to vote now.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by kermitology

How can I defend myself here? I'm guilty by association with someone who hasn't even been card flipped. I'm frustrated both in this thread and personally at the moment.

There are alot of ways to defend yourself or put some reason behind your moves, but instead you just vote for yourself. That is why I voted for you.

I'm willing to cut you some slack and hear you out. I dont think one should be vilified, especially on day 1 because of how he reasons his way into making sense out of, what for everyone is only blind speculation.

[kermitology]

I knew the moment that ineedanother directed his kill to Timbo that I was a dead man. I agreed with the logic of his decision to vote for ineedanother. I do not understand why, with only 6 votes at the time he decided to reveal his power. That sounded to me like someone who was desperate to stay in the game rather than someone who was looking for it to blow over.

So the pressure is on to make the kill if you claim to be the vigilante, otherwise you're useless to the town.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by GGG

I didnt realize a fake day action was against the rules. Then it doesnt really matter if we wait or not. My preference is to wait for the flip but if people like CC wont be around later it makes sense for them to vote now.

I considered doing exactly that just as a joke to watch the thread light up. Then figured, while it will cause my enjoyment, will piss everyone else off when they find out I'm not the vigilante and I'd be voted off regardless of my allegiance shortly thereafter.

But damn it would have been funny to read the responses.

[Kjesse]

And if you want to vote now, fine, I'm waiting for the card flip. I actually don't think Timbo is mafia, but what's done is done.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I knew the moment that ineedanother directed his kill to Timbo that I was a dead man. I agreed with the logic of his decision to vote for ineedanother. I do not understand why, with only 6 votes at the time he decided to reveal his power. That sounded to me like someone who was desperate to stay in the game rather than someone who was looking for it to blow over.

So the pressure is on to make the kill if you claim to be the vigilante, otherwise you're useless to the town.

Why didnt you like the idea of waiting to let the real vig kill him if he was lying?

[Kjesse]

And yeah, if there is no card flip..... well the town finds success on day one.

[GP_Matt]

I agree with the calming request. We are currently operating without all the information. It is better to wait for Mazrim to post the card flip before going off on a tangent and accusing someone else.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

Crazy day...just getting a chance to post now.

I was curious to why Rathji changed his vote out of the blue last night without explanation. I reread the thread last night and noticed a few things that put a few people on my radar.

In the morning Rathji explained why he unvoted /voted the way he did and why he thought ineedanother was Mafia (see post #232). Ineedanother was on my radar last night as well but for a different reason.

My gut feeling is that ineedanother is inexperienced Mafia, and when he saw the early votes going his way, he panicked and claimed he was the vigilante to save himself.

I thought his reveal post was weird (see post #312).
-He talked about everyone targeting him (he only had 5 votes at that point).
-Then he mentioned having a “trick up his sleeve”, almost like he had some kind of survivor immunity idol, which meant he was safe and couldn’t be voted for.

Anyone can claim anything at any point. But since his role reveal there have been a few players claiming that ineedanother must be Town, but haven’t really provided any valid reasons (imo).

There has been talk about if ineedanother isn’t the real vigilante, the real vigilante should kill him immediately, and if they don’t, they don’t exist and what ineedanother has claimed has to be true. That’s nonsense.

Rathji has volunteered himself for ineedanother to prove himself, but ineedanother doesn’t want to pull the trigger, even though he’s made a couple accusations already towards Rathji being Mafia (ie. post #312).

So of the pile ons mmmcamo to be is the most suspicious, it provides justification, but the logic in it is badly flawed. The bolded section above he just dismisses the sound logic of how to deal with the situation without providing a reason. The first line trys to justfies inactivity.

I would like to hear from mmmcamo why he thought the wait and see approach was nonsense.

The other interesting pileon was transplant99 who just voted with no justification. I perfer to vote for these two over kermit.

[Mazrim]

Suddenly, ineedanother pulled out a gun and aimed it at Timbo. Everyone quickly backed away from the two, unsure if he would turn it on anyone else.

"Sorry man, this is just how things have to be. It's for the survival of this town." he said.

He pulled the trigger. The sound echoed through the town square, and Timbo hit the ground hard. As he bled out, ineedanother turned to the others and said "do you believe me now?"

Timbo, Townsperson, Shot Day 1.

(Sorry for the hasty flavour. It was really bad timing for me this morning as I was busy and didn't have a chance to check the thread.)

[starseed]

Wow. I was convinced he was mafia. This might change my mind on kermitology...

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm having a lot of trouble, and like I mentioned my deadline is earlier then most of yours because I feel like the lynch when it happens its going to happen very quickly after the card flip.

As far as I know a player can't do a fake card flip, its got to be against the rules. So out of everything, in my mind Ineedanother is a townie who is now a retired vigilant, and his actions have saved his butt from a lynching but not from a night kill. Now I'm assuming that a smart mafia will keep that in their pocket and won't nightkill him because they know who he is now, and they probably wouldn't want to waste a night kill on him until they're sure of more townies, because the doctor can only protect one person a night.

I will admit that my first vote was for HG15, and mainly it was based on his earlier activities when he was trying to direct the vote aggressively, which does seem to be a mafia thing to do for me, maybe I'm reaching on day one but lets be honest, day one is all about the reach. You lynch vote to make someone panic, or lynch vote to see who's killed in the night action.

Strombads back and forth is really interesting, logic would tell me that one of them is mob trying to get the other lynched.

Kermits is just strange, I've seen I think GGG throwing himself in front of a vigilant to get the card flip, which could be a mafia move since mafia groups vote as one, so losing one member of a mafia team isn't that big of a deal if it forces a vigilant out of the game early. The Vigilant card is probably one of the most powerful in the game.

The reason why I say Kermits actions are strange, in that he voted for himself, I think he's right in that he's saying he's guilty by association and he's frustrated.

I keep coming back to GGG throwing himself in front of the bullet, it just seems like a queens gambit in chess where you sacrifice your queen to get a threat like another queen off of the board.

If my logic isn't sound I'd like to know before I cast the vote.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm having a lot of trouble, and like I mentioned my deadline is earlier then most of yours because I feel like the lynch when it happens its going to happen very quickly after the card flip.

As far as I know a player can't do a fake card flip, its got to be against the rules. So out of everything, in my mind Ineedanother is a townie who is now a retired vigilant, and his actions have saved his butt from a lynching but not from a night kill. Now I'm assuming that a smart mafia will keep that in their pocket and won't nightkill him because they know who he is now, and they probably wouldn't want to waste a night kill on him until they're sure of more townies, because the doctor can only protect one person a night.

I will admit that my first vote was for HG15, and mainly it was based on his earlier activities when he was trying to direct the vote aggressively, which does seem to be a mafia thing to do for me, maybe I'm reaching on day one but lets be honest, day one is all about the reach. You lynch vote to make someone panic, or lynch vote to see who's killed in the night action.

Strombads back and forth is really interesting, logic would tell me that one of them is mob trying to get the other lynched.

Kermits is just strange, I've seen I think GGG throwing himself in front of a vigilant to get the card flip, which could be a mafia move since mafia groups vote as one, so losing one member of a mafia team isn't that big of a deal if it forces a vigilant out of the game early. The Vigilant card is probably one of the most powerful in the game.

The reason why I say Kermits actions are strange, in that he voted for himself, I think he's right in that he's saying he's guilty by association and he's frustrated.

I keep coming back to GGG throwing himself in front of the bullet, it just seems like a queens gambit in chess where you sacrifice your queen to get a threat like another queen off of the board.

If my logic isn't sound I'd like to know before I cast the vote.

I never offered myself as the VIG target. That was Rathji, I campaigned for the real vig to kill the fake vig