CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Oling_Roachinen]

I don't feel that based on his previous posts Crazy Bacon Legs will be an asset to the town. Even if you find his posts entertaining it's a lot different than being informing. I fear that if he does end up being mafia he will be able to get by without contributing by making his nutty posts without being challenged. If he is a townsperson I would like some confidence that his posts wont be just for entertainment value.

Vote: Crazy Bacon Legs

[Hockeyguy15]

Well that's your opinion, again it seems like you are cherry picking what I've been saying this whole time and trying to manipulate it.

The more you post and try and make me seem like mafia the more I am suspicious of you. Either you are mafia or you are so far off base you are going to have a lot of explaining to do come day 2, and you better come up with some good arguments so we don't wind up with back to back town lynches.

If you all feel the same I invite everyone to vote for me, I am a townie with no power.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by strombad

You've quite literally gone from "inactive posters, here's who I think" to an active poster you never mentioned. I get that I'm targeting you, so it's nature to be defensive, but it doesn't sound like you've got much of a basis for it.

This quote pretty much shows you have not been reading what I said at all.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I would again be comfortable voting out based on inactivity, for the same reason as last time. If you aren't contributing, you're a liability.

I feel it's more likely that this time the mafia is just trying to blend in and play it like it's early and post nothing but noise. I know I will probably make myself a mafia night kill target with this but I am frustrated with people wanting to go full on random.

There are a bunch of posters who have hardly any activity, and there are a few who seem to be more active but not contributing. It could be that they are new and feeling out the process, but they could also just be trying to fly under the radar.

I feel that kermit isn't really adding much with his posts.
bizaro is offering some insight but not full out hunting mafia
ineedanother is posting but not adding much
Timbo has 3 posts but they seem off to me
SP has been posting, but not contributing

There are also a few posters who mention mafia numbers and potential strategy/mind sets with a very low post count.

[ineedanother]

Originally Posted by strombad

This pretty much sums up why I threw my vote your way. Your first two sentences boil down to "I've advocated for voting out an inactive poster, but I believe Mafia are being active."

If you believe Mafia are being active, wouldn't you want to focus on someone active?

First it's someone inactive, then it's "oh but I'm ok with someone active", first it's "here are the people I'm suspicious of" then it's "Vote for Strombad" which seems like a panic move. If I'm the vote, that's cool, but it doesn't add up very well to me to see someone put their cards on the table as much as you have, only to switch their vote to someone completely outside of their original trajectory.

You've quite literally gone from "inactive posters, here's who I think" to an active poster you never mentioned. I get that I'm targeting you, so it's nature to be defensive, but it doesn't sound like you've got much of a basis for it.

I understand your thinking, but I think voting for HG right now might give the mafia factions 3 kills. If we as townsfolk don't lynch HG, he is the most likely to be night killed by 1 of the mafia factions. If he happens to be mafia, it is very likely the other mafia faction will night kill him, as he is making the most noise. If HG is still around after night one, then we can grow suspicious of him.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I don't feel that based on his previous posts Crazy Bacon Legs will be an asset to the town. Even if you find his posts entertaining it's a lot different than being informing. I fear that if he does end up being mafia he will be able to get by without contributing by making his nutty posts without being challenged. If he is a townsperson I would like some confidence that his posts wont be just for entertainment value.

Vote: Crazy Bacon Legs

I agree with this logic and to add he is unlikely to be night killed as his posts don't further the agenda. However for me this is a day 3 or 4 play as the posts are entertaining and it gives him a chance to be both entertaining and a contributing.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

This quote pretty much shows you have not been reading what I said at all.

Again, you're just throwing out a lot of directionless noise. Inactive, active, this person, that person, myself, someone who defended you. You've put a lot of people in your sights, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason.

You've posted 34 times, which is 20 times more than the next guy. That's only valuable to us if your contributing a direction. I'm sticking with my vote because, again, as I said, you are all over the map. Either you're controlling the game as mafia, or you're muddying the waters as a townsperson.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Unvote

This interests me. You voted Active Stick early, with the stated intention of trying to gauge reactions from someone who was inactive. You mentioned you'd change your vote if someone else convinced you they had a better idea. Now, after no reaction from active stick but a few other votes for him, you're unvoting.

Did someone else make an argument you found compelling? If so, please share which one.

If not, why unvote? He's at no risk of getting lynched now, but piling up a few votes might flush out some more information.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

This interests me. You voted Active Stick early, with the stated intention of trying to gauge reactions from someone who was inactive. You mentioned you'd change your vote if someone else convinced you they had a better idea. Now, after no reaction from active stick but a few other votes for him, you're unvoting.

Did someone else make an argument you found compelling? If so, please share which one.

If not, why unvote? He's at no risk of getting lynched now, but piling up a few votes might flush out some more information.

I voted to find out something.

It is probably nothing, given the odds, but I won't know until we start seeing some flips. If I get mob killed tonight, the other Townies will have to make a guess at what I think I figured out, because it means that I was probably right.

To be honest, I am torn about if I should be posting this much info, because it might put me square in the sights of the mob, but there is a good chance that they might realize what I did anyway, so I wanted to leave you guys a hint if I get wacked tonight.

[Street Pharmacist]

I can't believe there's this much game being played without a single kill, vote, role, anything.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I voted to find out something.

It is probably nothing, given the odds, but I won't know until we start seeing some flips. If I get mob killed tonight, the other Townies will have to make a guess at what I think I figured out, because it means that I was probably right.

To be honest, I am torn about if I should be posting this much info, because it might put me square in the sights of the mob, but there is a good chance that they might realize what I did anyway, so I wanted to leave you guys a hint if I get wacked tonight.

If you have something well reasoned figured out, you should share it for a few reasons.

1) We can test it, by lynching whoever you think is mafia. If you found a pattern, we could role up a few at once for a big advantage right off the start.

2) Once you've outed it, there's no reason for the mafia to kill you anymore. If all your info is in the open, they don't gain anything by killing you, since that would just validate what you said. If they think you have something hidden, it makes sense for them to kill you before you share it.

[Rathji]

You might be right.

I will consider it and do up a proper post on the morning.

[Rathji]

ok, so here is my line of thinking. I do realize it isn't much to go on, and I didn't really intend for it to become a major theory early on, but bizaro86 realized what I did and the last thing I want to do is been seen as trying to hide something.

When we started playing yesterday, I realized I had no idea how to play or what to do a s a Townie, so I looked at the Mafia wiki at a couple beginners guides. The 2 main things I got from it was Townie people should be active in trying to figure things out and that in order to figure out things, experience is almost always a factor.

Then, I thought to myself, what things hurt the mafia in the last game and how would I play to counteract those things if I was mafia.

The first thing that came to mind was lynching scum in the first day. Not only did it put them behind in terms of the 'score' but it made it harder to force lynches because they had less people. The best way to avoid that, is to obviously kill a townie the first day.

Now, factor in that people with experience will tend to make better choices in the game as Townies, because they have the least complete information, and the logical choice is to figure out a way to target a Townie without needing to consider any other factors, like number of posts or contributions that seemed to be key in the last game for figuring out who to lynch first. If those things were considered, then the person could just start being active which might throw people off the vote.

So, I looked for people who were suggesting reasons to lynch based off anything but inactivity. We had 2 choices:

1. GGG voted for Activestick based seemingly entirely upon his experience, which is something scum would do in order to weed out a Townie who might be more devastating to the Mafia long term.

2. LegoMan used a random number generator, with screenshots to generate a name. Of course, he could have fixed it to just appear random.

Of those 2 choices, GGG is the most likely to be acting in the best interests of the Mafia, because it gets rid of a player who is experienced. Since there are 5 times the people (26 vs 4) outside a particular mafia compared to inside a particular mafia, the best choice the first day is to target an experienced player.

So, my thought was that I would appear to be supportive of this type of vote by casting a vote for Activestick and see who tags along, so I could form a potential voting block if one of them turned out to be scum in a later flip. Not a lot of people jumped on, which indicated to me that most people thought this idea was pretty foolish, but a few hours later ineedanother added his vote, citing the same reason I did, which to me seemed like he was trying to blend in with the rest of the votes that backed up GGG.

So, long story short, my intention was that if one of those 2 ends up being scum at a flip, or does something super scummy later on, then it would have been a signal to go after both of them.

So, with 2 choices, ineedanother and GGG, I think that we should vote out ineedanother. Even if my first gut reaction about GGG was wrong (mostly because it was so overt, he might just be a confused townie), it is more likely that ineedanother is flying under the radar since he hasn't been involved in many other meaningful contributions other than to bump post count.

Vote: ineedanother

Thoughts after the vote:

Of course, the reason I posted this is so I don't end up dead as a nightkill since this info is out there. It would be foolish for scum to kill me anytime very soon as it would indicate I was right.

I just realized, if I do get night killed, then it means that the other mafia faction thinks they can draw attention away from themselves for a night or two while the town lynches a couple opponents (town or mafia).

[Rathji]

Another thing.

I do realize that this is very much a "cup in front of me" situation, where I might be over thinking things, but in the end, it isn't much worse than a random or inactive vote on the first day.

[starseed]

I think that is by far the most plausible explanation to go on. The pro/anti HG posts are all fluff and seemingly based on nothing. It makes no sense to back him up or suspect him at this point.

[Timbo]

Rathji your post got me thinking and I reviewed GGG's posts.

He is seemingly very anxious to start a lynch which IMO benefits Mafia.
His post about saying let's act before scum make a plan is 5 hrs after the start of the game? A coven of scum could have easily formulated a quick strategy in this time frame.

These are a few red flags for me.

ineedanother jumps in on GGG's thinking. Now this could be as because of the reason Rathji formulated. Or it might mean ineedanother is the first lemming to blindly follow the pied piper.

Again I am suspicious of GGG and am keeping an eye on him.

Why because our jobs as Townies is to actively hunt for scum, not incite a blind unsubstandciated lynching.

Also worrysome is the low post count of Transplant99 it does not mean he is scum but a non contibuter is only weighing us Townsfolk down.

So Transplant99, get with it or be subject to suspicion and or a townie boot sandwich.

As for you other low posters... A good townie is an active hunting townie.

I am not casting a vote right now because I would like to hear from GGG, ineedanother, and some of the low posters.

What say you?

[Street Pharmacist]

Seems reasonable I guess, but as you said, no better really than random. I'm in.

[Street Pharmacist]

vote: ineedanother

[GP_Matt]

Is there any advantage to creating a blind voting block?
I was thinking that ten people all agree to vote for the first person to garner 6 votes for the first three rounds.
Scum might be reluctant to commit to such an action as it could mean killing their members quickly.
At the end of three rounds we can look at the results and if we killed townies then it will make us suspicious of a lot of people but if we kill any mafia we might have a solid group of people who are somewhat trustworthy.

[kermitology]

GGG definitely looks suspicious. ineedanother is at a lesser level. I agree with Timbo, let's hear from them.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Is there any advantage to creating a blind voting block?
I was thinking that ten people all agree to vote for the first person to garner 6 votes for the first three rounds.
Scum might be reluctant to commit to such an action as it could mean killing their members quickly.
At the end of three rounds we can look at the results and if we killed townies then it will make us suspicious of a lot of people but if we kill any mafia we might have a solid group of people who are somewhat trustworthy.

Well I see see what you are working at. Can we afford a war of attrition?
You might be on to something here.