CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[CofR]

I feel like whoever stole CBL's dice is hiding something... We find out who did that, we know who to lynch.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by kermitology

God damn I love it when CBL posts.

That's got to be the best strategy ever. The guy is so interesting nobody will vote for him.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

So I set up a dice-rolling tournament in order to figure out who I should vote for at random. It's a random game that this point and there's no sense in applying logic, as far as I can tell.

I assigned three dice to each person: two red and one black for those who played the game before, and two white and one red for those of us who are new. I included myself in this process. It's only fair. What I was really struck by is the fact that I own such a large number of dice for no real reason.

I began by laying out the dice on a large table and setting people up based on a snaking alphabetical list. My plan was to stage an elimination-style bracket tournament with the "winner" being voted on by me to die.

I started rolling the dice when suddenly the cat ran in and grabbed one of the red dice and ran off with it. Which is weird, because I don't own a cat. I spent the next 45 minutes looking for the cat, and when I came back to the table the cleaning lady had cleaned up all my dice. I was again struck by the oddness of this as I do not have a cleaning lady. So some woman came into my house and stole all my dice.

This is a long way of telling you I still don't know how to vote. I have another selection method involving a lawn mower. I will let you know if this works out. But I have discovered that I really need to get my door fixed. It's like a bloody train station in here.

If you were gone, how do you know it was a woman who took your dice? Unexplained knowledge is suspicious...

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

That's got to be the best strategy ever. The guy is so interesting nobody will vote for him.

Yeah, except knowing CBL outside of this thread, that's just the crazy bat#### insanity of CBL, if he made sense, THEN I'd be concerned.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

This specific quote is what I meant by sitting on the fence. Either lead to victory or lead to the cliff. Either I told you so or I played you. Is he trustworth or misleading.



These 2 quotes mention mafia. Everyone else seems to have posts about strategy or their thoughts but you always seem to have a mafia specific post.

Again I could be wrong, but these are just my obervations so far.

You are wrong, I'm not scum this time. I was just pointing out what I thought your strategy could be for either side. I thought other may have found that helpful in case they didn't think of it.

I didn't really want to "lead" as I didn't have a decisive opinion one way or the other, it is too soon in my mind to really point fingers. That said, I did later specifically call out Delgar and it was just lost in the shuffle of our back and forth, he didn't even defend it.

You mentioned in a previous post a list that included Delgar as one of your defenders, which in turn lead you to declare he should be a Townie. Seems like you may be backing each other up. I'm not voting at this moment but I do have both of you on my radar.


In a quick search, "mafia" has been said 74 times in this thread. I mention it twice I'm not sure that is suspicious?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Yeah, except knowing CBL outside of this thread, that's just the crazy bat#### insanity of CBL, if he made sense, THEN I'd be concerned.

For sure. I'm not suggesting he's been building a CP persona for years leading up to this. The guy is just hilarious, which is an advantage.

I know I certainly won't vote for him unless I'm pretty sure, since a CBL post is something I look forward to.

[strombad]

Based on HG15's insane posting level, along with his huge spread of accusations, I see this going one of a few ways:

1. We vote out HG15. At best, mafia (with a few clues about his defenders), at worst? A townsperson goes that was throwing out a huge number of accusations, essentially creating chaos (from both town and mafia alike I'm sure), and we'll have an idea on mafia based on who voted for him.

2. We don't vote out HG15, he is promptly killed by either Mafia faction because they see him as valuable to us. He's gone the first night anyway.

3. We don't vote out HG15, but he is also not killed by mafia for one of two reasons: 1) He's mafia or 2) His random accusations are thus far seen as detrimental to the town, so they see him as no threat. Regardless of the reason, on day 2 he's around because he's either a threat or a liability.


Personally, I'm betting on 3. Whoever we get out isn't really going to matter as far as giving us information, but whoever the mafia gets out (or does not get out) will. The chances of HG15 being mafia seem high to me. There is a frantic element to his accusations this time that I never felt during the first game. Is his mafia? Or overplaying it? That's up for everyone to decide themselves. I'm keeping my vote the same. I really think everyone should at least consider the risk vs reward of this situation. The reward, to me, seems a whole lot higher than the risk.

Hope I didn't say mafia too many times in this post, from what I understand that's apparently a new thing that makes someone a "suspect" haha. Some of the paranoia here is awesome.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

That said, I did later specifically call out Delgar and it was just lost in the shuffle of our back and forth, he didn't even defend it.

You mentioned in a previous post a list that included Delgar as one of your defenders, which in turn lead you to declare he should be a Townie. Seems like you may be backing each other up. I'm not voting at this moment but I do have both of you on my radar.

I've already explained why I defended HG. A post from yourself asking if I'm protecting my "mafia buddy" or whatever the exact words were, don't warrant a defence beyond what I posted.

You've now put 3 posts mentioning me by my count, I invite you to lead the inquisition and lynch me, you'll find I'm town and you'll either have weakened the town or sealed your own fate, maybe both.

I'd add your posts haven't been helpful in terms of exploring for mafia.... because I know i'm town and I'm willing to bet HG is too even if it leads to my own death... but strombad's post was interesting and I'll consider it.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I've already explained why I defended HG. A post from yourself asking if I'm protecting my "mafia buddy" or whatever the exact words were, don't warrant a defence beyond what I posted.

I'll go further... such a post without any analysis suggests you aren't really trying to out mafia. You're on my radar. Given there is 73% town, and you and I are 50/50, I propose... you out first, and if you're town, me out second. If you're mafia, others can decide.

I don't want to die but I do want to promote the town winning.

[Hockeyguy15]

I'm surprised that Strombad believes that my thinking out loud and sharing my thoughts on posters is a bad thing? It has gotten people involved and started conversation rather than people looking for a random name generator to vote with.

As I said before, if you feel I am mafia then by all means vote me. All I ask is you go back and look at some of the things I said, and people I mentioned.

[GGG]

I think we need more people to toss out some votes on people and make commitments and guage reactions. With needing 16 to lynch we aren't in any danger of lynching someone too soon.

I am not a big fan of the run on Hockeyguy as I think he is generating good discussion though I would perfer he vote for some one based on his current suspisions as voting and vote changes create a record and is the most powerful type of accusation and will elicit a response.

Ideally we can get a few different people with 4 or 5 votes each on them and gauge reactions then make a decision on who goes.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I've already explained why I defended HG. A post from yourself asking if I'm protecting my "mafia buddy" or whatever the exact words were, don't warrant a defence beyond what I posted.

You've now put 3 posts mentioning me by my count, I invite you to lead the inquisition and lynch me, you'll find I'm town and you'll either have weakened the town or sealed your own fate, maybe both.

I'd add your posts haven't been helpful in terms of exploring for mafia.... because I know i'm town and I'm willing to bet HG is too even if it leads to my own death... but strombad's post was interesting and I'll consider it.

My first post about being buddies was meant to be a joke as there is basically nothing to go on. HG called me out so I went with it. Then when you wouldn't respond it made me suspicious of you. End if story, it's hard to lead an inquisition with nothing to go on.

How do you say my posts have not been helpful in exploring for mafia? I called you out, you defended. That's pretty much all we can do to explore. If you know if another way please do tell.

[ineedanother]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think we need more people to toss out some votes on people and make commitments and guage reactions. With needing 16 to lynch we aren't in any danger of lynching someone too soon.

I am not a big fan of the run on Hockeyguy as I think he is generating good discussion though I would perfer he vote for some one based on his current suspisions as voting and vote changes create a record and is the most powerful type of accusation and will elicit a response.

Ideally we can get a few different people with 4 or 5 votes each on them and gauge reactions then make a decision on who goes.

I agree with GGG, I am going to place my vote to see reactions.

Vote: ActiveStick

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I'll go further... such a post without any analysis suggests you aren't really trying to out mafia. You're on my radar. Given there is 73% town, and you and I are 50/50, I propose... you out first, and if you're town, me out second. If you're mafia, others can decide.

I don't want to die but I do want to promote the town winning.

Sorry, I'm not comitting suicide by volunteering to die first. Last game i was mafia now im not. This time there is less pressure making it a bit more enjoyable (it's a different type of fun). If you want to throw yourself on the knife as a martyr feel free. At this stage dieing for the cause is too extreme as it doesn't prove anything it just weakens the town

[Kjesse]

So this is snipped and not completely valid as context is important, as is time and things changed between posts, but I present this:

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk
That said, I did later specifically call out Delgar and it was just lost in the shuffle of our back and forth, he didn't even defend it.

Then:

HalifaxDrunk
I called you out, you defended. That's pretty much all we can do to explore.

Personally, I chalk it up to imprecise language use.

[Rathji]

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[Hockeyguy15]

Before Strombad's last post I was leaning towards HD or SP, but something about his posts about me strike me as odd. He mentions I am doing a few things which seem hypocritical to me as I feel he is doing the same exact thing.

I also feel like he isn't reading my posts, or is cherry picking pieces of them, such as him saying that I advocate voting for inactive posters. This is true, but at the same time I have said I believe the mafia would be more active this time. I have said multiple times that I would also be happy to vote for someone who is active but is posting mostly noise.

If I am close to being lynched then I will have a more indepth review of what Stombad has said, but at this point I don't feel it's needed.

Vote: Strombad

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I advocate voting for inactive posters. This is true, but at the same time I have said I believe the mafia would be more active this time. I have said multiple times that I would also be happy to vote for someone who is active but is posting mostly noise.

This pretty much sums up why I threw my vote your way. Your first two sentences boil down to "I've advocated for voting out an inactive poster, but I believe Mafia are being active."

If you believe Mafia are being active, wouldn't you want to focus on someone active?

First it's someone inactive, then it's "oh but I'm ok with someone active", first it's "here are the people I'm suspicious of" then it's "Vote for Strombad" which seems like a panic move. If I'm the vote, that's cool, but it doesn't add up very well to me to see someone put their cards on the table as much as you have, only to switch their vote to someone completely outside of their original trajectory.

You've quite literally gone from "inactive posters, here's who I think" to an active poster you never mentioned. I get that I'm targeting you, so it's nature to be defensive, but it doesn't sound like you've got much of a basis for it.

[jayswin]

Is anyone else pretty mind**cked this time around? I don't want to agree with anyone, cause if they end up being mafia, then you'll be aligned with them, and I don't want to say anything cause look at everyone who's saying stuff. Good Lord.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Is anyone else pretty mind**cked this time around? I don't want to agree with anyone, cause if they end up being mafia, then you'll be aligned with them, and I don't want to say anything cause look at everyone who's saying stuff. Good Lord.

First day jitters. Someone's gonna get lynched for no real reason today. Accept that. From then on it matters. For now? Relax