I'm just sick of so many trade proposals with Sven in them... last year people were saying Sven is nearly untouchable just like Monahan this season.
I'm sick of people being offended when a player they like gets put into trade proposals, and I'm really sick of people assuming the thought that "player x" could be traded for assets means that person proposing that trade thinks that "player x" is garbage. It often means the opposite, that they recognize that player has value and could bring back something important to the team.
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If my name was $haneO"Brien55 would you feel the same way?
I won't be surprised if you change your name to Monahan next season and when he struggles you'll be writing ridiculous trade proposals about him. Same goes for our #4 pick this year the season after that.
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I'm sick of people being offended when a player they like gets put into trade proposals, and I'm really sick of people assuming the thought that "player x" could be traded for assets means that person proposing that trade thinks that "player x" is garbage. It often means the opposite, that they recognize that player has value and could bring back something important to the team.
I just value developing our OWN prospects with patience and time instead of going to the easy way out of throwing them in dumb trade proposals that are not realistic at all.
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I won't be surprised if you change your name to Monahan next season and when he struggles you'll be writing ridiculous trade proposals about him. Same goes for our #4 pick this year the season after that.
What are you on about? I've never made a Sven trade proposal in my life but I can acknowledge that a Gormley for Sven trade would be good value for him.
Ok listening to this, at the end of hte interview (1:11:00 or so) they mentioned Brian Burke is the master of managing expectations and pooh-poohing his own projects (RE: managing expectations). Edmonton is vis versa. I guess we kind of knew this as his Joe Colburn comparison, or Sven, or Johnny. Not to go into the whole comparison thing, but just goes to show the experience that Brian Burke brings in a hockey crazy market like Calgary.
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Ok listening to this, at the end of hte interview (1:11:00 or so) they mentioned Brian Burke is the master of managing expectations and pooh-poohing his own projects (RE: managing expectations). Edmonton is vis versa. I guess we kind of knew this as his Joe Colburn comparison, or Sven, or Johnny. Not to go into the whole comparison thing, but just goes to show the experience that Brian Burke brings in a hockey crazy market like Calgary.
Burke's comments earlier in the year saying he wasn't exactly sure what (if anything?) the Flames had down on the farm this year speaks to that too.
Treliving had a quick little blurb about this in his press conference yesterday morning too. Saying it would be new to him managing expectations for young players, saying he never had to do with in Phoenix.
I'd like to see a third option of not sure. I'll take a wait and see attitude with this unproven guy. The last great young mind the Flames snapped up was Craig Button. The one before that was Doug Risebrough. I hope he proves to be a good manager, but he'll have to prove it.
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I'd like to see a third option of not sure. I'll take a wait and see attitude with this unproven guy. The last great young mind the Flames snapped up was Craig Button. The one before that was Doug Risebrough. I hope he proves to be a good manager, but he'll have to prove it.
If you are not sure that's when you don't answer the poll. I doubt many knew who at reliving was I know I sure didn't. I voted that I am happy with the move because I wanted the Flames to go with one of the up and coming AGM's over a McPhee or Regier.
I knew nothing of Futa or Benning other than which organizations they worked for which are 2 that I like.
Also big difference from Button/Risebrough is neither had an experienced executive who they directly reported to. Burke stated his position was created to stop a young GM from making a rookie mistake.
With Burke in charge, giving Treliving a chance is not a problem.
Without Burke, this would have a disaster written all over.
Years after Riser traded Gilmour he admitted that his dislike for Gilmour got in a way of reason. Nice, he learned by destroying our team.
Riser also thought he could coach that was just as big of a disaster.
Still hate that guy.
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I just value developing our OWN prospects with patience and time instead of going to the easy way out of throwing them in dumb trade proposals that are not realistic at all.
Those two things are mutually exclusive, you can believe and enjoy both!
One thing that poll writers learn very early in their training is that it is rarely useful to have an option exactly in the middle of the range. It makes it too easy for the respondees to chicken out of actually answering the question. When the only options are Yes/No or Approve/Disapprove, it forces people to think about the question and make an actual decision.
If you want more nuance than that in your choices, you can always go with ‘Strongly Agree’, ‘Somewhat Agree’, ‘Somewhat Disagree’, ‘Strongly Disagree’.
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If you are not sure that's when you don't answer the poll. I doubt many knew who at reliving was I know I sure didn't. I voted that I am happy with the move because I wanted the Flames to go with one of the up and coming AGM's over a McPhee or Regier.
I wanted a young guy as well, but I wanted a young guy from a winning organization. There's the rub for me. Phoenix has been a middling team that plays a style of hockey everyone on this board hates with a passion. They have had no success in any shape or form and don't look like a team with much of a future. If the team is an extension of its management, this move bothers me. I like the direction the Flames were headed. They have developed a stable of good young prospects in a very short period of time. They play an exciting brand of hockey. There is a future here. I don't want a guy who learned how to build a 7th-11th place team to work his magic and build the Flames in that image. That is my fear and why I will take a wait and see attitude.
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Also big difference from Button/Risebrough is neither had an experienced executive who they directly reported to. Burke stated his position was created to stop a young GM from making a rookie mistake.
This is a great point, but doesn't that also point to the probability that Treliving will be that puppet GM that people were afraid was going to be hired? How much autonomy will the guy have if Burke is going to prevent him from making mistakes? That seems to say Burke has final approval of all moves and decisions, leaving Treliving to do all the work and Burke to give the royal decree to make a move, then take the credit or have a scapegoat. That is the situation I didn't want to see develop and really hope this is not the case.
I think there is a great deal of information needed before deciding whether this was a good hire or not. The most interesting things that I have learned about the guy since his hiring is his father's fame on Dragon's Den, his father's success with Boston Pizza, and his moderate success in getting the WPHL started. I just wish there was more to his resume at the NHL level and signs of him knowing what he is doing from a player development perspective.
I wanted a young guy as well, but I wanted a young guy from a winning organization. There's the rub for me. Phoenix has been a middling team that plays a style of hockey everyone on this board hates with a passion. They have had no success in any shape or form and don't look like a team with much of a future. If the team is an extension of its management, this move bothers me. I like the direction the Flames were headed. They have developed a stable of good young prospects in a very short period of time. They play an exciting brand of hockey. There is a future here. I don't want a guy who learned how to build a 7th-11th place team to work his magic and build the Flames in that image. That is my fear and why I will take a wait and see attitude.
Phoenix had league ownership - basically could only spend the bare minimum to keep the franchise going and made the playoffs in the extremely tough Western Conference in 3 out of the last 5 years and just missed out in the past two (probably would have made it this year if not for Smith's injury). That is pretty impressive given the restraints they had.
As for the whole 'puppet' thing - Its going to be a group effort just like every franchise in the world. Feaster would have discussed his moves with Burke (or King before that), Weisbrod, etc, Sutter would have discussed with King. The entire point of having this structure is to have franchise stability in the event the GM doesn't work out.
Burke isn't going to sit there and tell Treliving who to draft in the 4th round, but he's also not going to sit in his office all day twiddling his thumbs and looking at spreadsheets of business operations.
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People need to come to grips with this new model of management. PHO is the wave of te future and most teams making a change up top are going to this model. Because the Flames hired a former GM to take the role doesn't mean that our GM is a puppet.
Just because Linden, or Shanahan were not former GM's Nonis and whoever Linden hires will have more autonomy? This whole notion that Burke is driving the bus is sply paranoid speculation. Conroy said on the fan that working for Burke is great due to the fact he has so much freedom.
Burke stated during the season when he had the #2 pick in 05 he wanted Jack Johnson but his scouts were set on Bobby Ryan. Who did he end up drafting?
This reputation that people seem to think Burke is a control freak and won't let his GM do his job has been contradicted by past actions and employees of his
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