[Rumour] Islanders willing to trade this year's 1st for more immediate help

[DirtyMike]

What's with all the Backlund love? The guy isn't exactly a kid anymore at 25 years old, and managed 18 goals and 21 assist...Good for 39pts and 159th overall in the NHL.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by DirtyMike

What's with all the Backlund love? The guy isn't exactly a kid anymore at 25 years old, and managed 18 goals and 21 assist...Good for 39pts and 159th overall in the NHL.

That's not the point; he really came into his own this year with consistent and effective two-way play, and finally is starting to put up the points. Now is not the time to trade him. He's developing into what we thought he would be, he needs another year. he was playing awesome after the Olympic break. Next season is key for him.

[Aarongavey]

Why would Wideman waive his NMC to go to the New York Islanders?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Hes progressing nicely for sure but come on, if you're offered the 5th PLUS something you take it every time.

At #5 which player is guaranteed to be better than Backlund is at the NHL level? Also, he's no where near hitting his upper end of potential. With a bit more success and a full, healthy, season, he could be a real surprise to many.

Originally Posted by loob job

Overvalue Backlund much?

Ugh... Exactly how am I over valuing him by what I said? If you're going to take the time in attempting to say I'm wrong or I'm off base, at least state your point of view.

Drive by posters are the poster equivalent of John Tortarella, in my opinion. And they should shut their mouth.

[moon]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Backlund was a 24th overall pick, but if you remade that draft now, he'd probably sit in the top 15.

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Looking at only the 1st round, but he would go top 10.

He would 16 at best depending on how teams valued defensemen (Braun and Martinez). He would be behind these guys for sure.

Spoiler!

He is a fine 3rd line player but teams dont usually move top 5 picks for 3rd line centers who are weak on FO's.
1. Kane
2. JVR
3. Subban
4. Couture
5. McDonaugh
6. Benn
7. Simmonds
8. Voracek
9. Gagner
10. Perron
11. Turris
12. Alzner
13. Sutter
14. Shattenkirk
15. Eller

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

You're insanely overvaluing the 5th overall pick if you think it would take Bobby Ryan or Evander Kane to get it.

I don't think I am. Perhaps not straight up but the Islanders are not adding too much to get Kane who has struggled this year but still a former 30'goal guy under 25.

Bobby Ryan was traded for 2 of Ottawas better prospects and a first that was expected to be 16-20something. A 5th overall in a draft that is considered to have 5 players in tier 1.

The Flames have nothing to offer that they would move to get this pick. Backlund at 25 who has never scored 20 goals or 50pts is going to land a prospect like Dal Colle or Draisaitl? Hudler, Wideman, Glencross? No chance.


In a cap system draft picks are extremely valuable and top 5 picks more so as those players usually are in the NHL making an impact within 1-3 years after being drafted

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by moon

He would 16 at best depending on how teams valued defensemen (Braun and Martinez). He would be behind these guys for sure.

Spoiler!

He is a fine 3rd line player but teams dont usually move top 5 picks for 3rd line centers who are weak on FO's.
1. Kane
2. JVR
3. Subban
4. Couture
5. McDonaugh
6. Benn
7. Simmonds
8. Voracek
9. Gagner
10. Perron
11. Turris
12. Alzner
13. Sutter
14. Shattenkirk
15. Eller

How the hell do you have Ganger higher than the 6 guys listed after him?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How the hell do you have Ganger higher than the 6 guys listed after him?

they arent ranked in order there just listed as I saw there name from hockeydb.

If ranked in order Benn and Couture obviously in the top 3 if not 1 and 2.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Drive by posters are the poster equivalent of John Tortarella, in my opinion. And they should shut their mouth.

Easy there stallion. He made his point in one sentence. You may not agree with it but I've seen you throw around the 'drive by' thing before because you don't agree with the opinion. Guess what, just because you don't agree with the poster's point or style doesn't mean you are right. As I've suggested to you before, and it's just a friendly suggestion my man - lighten up a bit.

Also, before you start flexing on me, I'm a big Backlund fan. Peace.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don't think I am. Perhaps not straight up but the Islanders are not adding too much to get Kane who has struggled this year but still a former 30'goal guy under 25.

Bobby Ryan was traded for 2 of Ottawas better prospects and a first that was expected to be 16-20something. A 5th overall in a draft that is considered to have 5 players in tier 1.

The Flames have nothing to offer that they would move to get this pick. Backlund at 25 who has never scored 20 goals or 50pts is going to land a prospect like Dal Colle or Draisaitl? Hudler, Wideman, Glencross? No chance.


In a cap system draft picks are extremely valuable and top 5 picks more so as those players usually are in the NHL making an impact within 1-3 years after being drafted

^^
This is called an intelligent argument.
Even though it counters my valuing of Backlund, the argument is solid and you bring up a very good point with the Ryan deal.

Kudos

[theoforever]

The picks are being hugely overvalued in this draft year probably as residual effect of last draft. Top guy in this draft would be 5th or 6th in the 2013 draft.
It is safe to say that 4 players from top 10 will be bust, most likely 2 will not make the NHL. So, somebody is going to get screwed, lets hope it isn't us.
Established players of impact under age of 28 are way more valuable than the promises.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by moon

He would 16 at best depending on how teams valued defensemen (Braun and Martinez). He would be behind these guys for sure.

Spoiler!

He is a fine 3rd line player but teams dont usually move top 5 picks for 3rd line centers who are weak on FO's.
1. Kane
2. JVR
3. Subban
4. Couture
5. McDonaugh
6. Benn
7. Simmonds
8. Voracek
9. Gagner
10. Perron
11. Turris
12. Alzner
13. Sutter
14. Shattenkirk
15. Eller

You think Gagner has better value than Backlund?

[moon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You think Gagner has better value than Backlund?

Yep.

Offense is valued highly and there are always teams that will overlook other stuff to add offense. Also seems like a guy who teams would think they can still fix and make into a more complete player.

I don't think I would take Gagner over Backlund but my guess is more teams than not would.

[djsFlames]

I prefer Backlund over Gagner, Turris, Eller and Sutter. So that puts him 12th for me.

(If Turris keeps up his pace from this year though, I might change my mind on him)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

Yep.

Offense is valued highly and there are always teams that will overlook other stuff to add offense. Also seems like a guy who teams would think they can still fix and make into a more complete player.

I don't think I would take Gagner over Backlund but my guess is more teams than not would.

So you don't think Gagner is better than Backlund, but your argument is that you think some teams are stupid enough that they might?

Ok then

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I prefer Backlund over Gagner, Turris, Eller and Sutter. So that puts him 12th for me.

(If Turris keeps up his pace from this year though, I might change my mind on him)

Uhhh Backlund is no where near Turris' level. There is really no debate.

[moon]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I prefer Backlund over Gagner, Turris, Eller and Sutter. So that puts him 12th for me.

(If Turris keeps up his pace from this year though, I might change my mind on him)

Turris just had a 58 point season, Backlund hasn't shown anything to indicate he can come close to those numbers and he was over 50% on FO's.

Sutter and Backlund seem to have similar offensive abilities, Sutter is a much better defender, stronger and has better FO numbers over their careers.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So you don't think Gagner is better than Backlund, but your argument is that you think some teams are stupid enough that they might?

Ok then

No my argument is that how I value players is different from how other teams value players.

I think he is an undersized midget who will never put an effort into playing defense, if other teams see him different and that they can make him into an adequate defender they will take him because his offense is so much better than Backlunds and he has top 6 potential.

[TheKing]

Backlund will put on his crown within the next 2 seasons.

[djsFlames]

Turris was producing about on the same level as Backlund until this year (<30 pts). This is his first real breakout season. If he can sustain it, then I'll be happy to reconsider. Also need to factor in how Backlund progresses as well if he can play a full season at the level he showed in the second half of the season. To say because of one season after several mediocre ones that Turris is suddenly leagues above Backlund is a bit premature.