[Rumour] Islanders willing to trade this year's 1st for more immediate help

[ForeverFlameFan]

I wonder if the Isles would take a couple of vets (Hudler and Wideman), but with that benefit to us, we have to give them a benefit. I'd probably give them our 2015 second rounder since they won't have a first rounder for that year. I wonder if they'd be interested in getting Glencross, I think Curtis would flourish if he played on JT's line, kind of what happened with Stemps when he played with Crosby.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I wonder if the Isles would take a couple of vets (Hudler and Wideman), but with that benefit to us, we have to give them a benefit. I'd probably give them our 2015 second rounder since they won't have a first rounder for that year. I wonder if they'd be interested in getting Glencross, I think Curtis would flourish if he played on JT's line, kind of what happened with Stemps when he played with Crosby.

I would prefer this to trading away baertschi. Burke has a good record for showing patience or developing players rather than trading them away and I hope he does the same with baertschi... There's just too much potential in him to give up so early especially when he has already been near 0.5 ppg with limited minutes and pp time in a very short NHL career.

[Rick M.]

Teams always want to get a prospect at a discount. Even if Baertschi isn't in the Flames' long term plan, at least wait until he establishes himself as an NHLer and his value rises before you move him for another piece.

[Red Ice Player]

I think that Backlund, in particular, is really being undervalued in a lot of this speculation. He really just started hitting his stride this season. Hitting his current level of play coincided with the vast improvement in our team in the second half, and his absence was really felt in our last few games. In no way has he reached his full potential. He is the classic late blooming Swede, ala the Sedins. I think you give him at least another season and see what we really have before considering packaging him off for a draft pick. Sometimes I just don't understand the lack of respect we have for our own players.

[IgiTang]

Backlund is finally coming into his own. No longer the ugly duckling. He's finding his mean streak and determination. All while managing to show some nice skill moves with little time and space.

I don't think NYI's pick is worth Backlund+, maybe not even worth Backs..

You can't move him yet. He has to be given another year to see if he improves.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Backlund is finally coming into his own. No longer the ugly duckling. He's finding his mean streak and determination. All while managing to show some nice skill moves with little time and space.

I don't think NYI's pick is worth Backlund+, maybe not even worth Backs..

You can't move him yet. He has to be given another year to see if he improves.

Hes progressing nicely for sure but come on, if you're offered the 5th PLUS something you take it every time.

[loob job]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Backlund is finally coming into his own. No longer the ugly duckling. He's finding his mean streak and determination. All while managing to show some nice skill moves with little time and space.

I don't think NYI's pick is worth Backlund+, maybe not even worth Backs..

You can't move him yet. He has to be given another year to see if he improves.

Overvalue Backlund much?

[ForeverFlameFan]

I don't think you trade Backlund or Baertschi... Backlund has found great success now, and Sven has managed to put up a .5 PPG in the NHL, even with defense faults and not playing in all 3 zones. After playing in the AHL, I think he's found his wake up call of what it takes to play in the NHL again. These two are going to be vital pieces in the Flames' future.

The Isles need defenseman, which is why trading Wideman would be part of the deal. We can retain some salary if that makes them happy. Hudler/Glencross could be part of the trade as well. Some say Glencross doesn't have any value but I think he does.

I think trading the 2015 2nd rounder to the Isles would just solidify the deal because if they don't have a first, they'll at least want seconds.

If we really want that 5th pick (in hopes for Draisaitl/Dal Colle), my proposal is:

Hudler/Glencross + Wideman (retained salary) + 2015 2nd rounder

And I would probably throw in another prospect to sweeten the deal if that's what they need.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Backlund is finally coming into his own. No longer the ugly duckling. He's finding his mean streak and determination. All while managing to show some nice skill moves with little time and space.

I don't think NYI's pick is worth Backlund+, maybe not even worth Backs..

You can't move him yet. He has to be given another year to see if he improves.

This. He's turning into a formidable two way beast and our go to face off man in the defensive zone. Getting rid of him now for a prospect smacks of tanking. Look how many extra shots we started giving up when he became injured. It was no coincidence.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I don't think you trade Backlund or Baertschi... Backlund has found great success now, and Sven has managed to put up a .5 PPG in the NHL, even with defense faults and not playing in all 3 zones. After playing in the AHL, I think he's found his wake up call of what it takes to play in the NHL again. These two are going to be vital pieces in the Flames' future.

The Isles need defenseman, which is why trading Wideman would be part of the deal. We can retain some salary if that makes them happy. Hudler/Glencross could be part of the trade as well. Some say Glencross doesn't have any value but I think he does.

I think trading the 2015 2nd rounder to the Isles would just solidify the deal because if they don't have a first, they'll at least want seconds.

If we really want that 5th pick (in hopes for Draisaitl/Dal Colle), my proposal is:

Hudler/Glencross + Wideman (retained salary) + 2015 2nd rounder

And I would probably throw in another prospect to sweeten the deal if that's what they need.

Sorry but that is a garbage offer. 2 30+ players who are not even top players and trading down 29 picks is not enough

Islanders will want a player that helps now and years to come. 21-27 year old winger to play with JT is my guess. Bobby Ryan, Evander Kane, Brayden Schenn something like that.

There is some massive over-rating of Flames players in this thread and under-rating the value a top 5 pick has in a cap world

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I don't think you trade Backlund or Baertschi... Backlund has found great success now, and Sven has managed to put up a .5 PPG in the NHL, even with defense faults and not playing in all 3 zones. After playing in the AHL, I think he's found his wake up call of what it takes to play in the NHL again. These two are going to be vital pieces in the Flames' future.

The Isles need defenseman, which is why trading Wideman would be part of the deal. We can retain some salary if that makes them happy. Hudler/Glencross could be part of the trade as well. Some say Glencross doesn't have any value but I think he does.

I think trading the 2015 2nd rounder to the Isles would just solidify the deal because if they don't have a first, they'll at least want seconds.

If we really want that 5th pick (in hopes for Draisaitl/Dal Colle), my proposal is:

Hudler/Glencross + Wideman (retained salary) + 2015 2nd rounder

And I would probably throw in another prospect to sweeten the deal if that's what they need.

Without those guys we wouldn't be getting near the cap floor and that remains a problem. We would need to eat some of their contracts and if that is the case then that second may become a 3rd? Either that or a bad contract comes back the other way and in that case I still think the second becomes a 3rd and no prospect thrown in in either deal. They would be getting two very serviceable parts of a team plus a 2nd or 3rd pick for one draft pick who could or couldn't be an upper echelon player.

Or we hold onto those guys and move them for picks at the trade deadline? Where would we get more value for them?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sorry but that is a garbage offer. 2 30+ players who are not even top players and trading down 29 picks is not enough

Islanders will want a player that helps now and years to come. 21-27 year old winger to play with JT is my guess. Bobby Ryan, Evander Kane, Brayden Schenn something like that.

There is some massive over-rating of Flames players in this thread and under-rating the value a top 5 pick has in a cap world

You're insanely overvaluing the 5th overall pick if you think it would take Bobby Ryan or Evander Kane to get it.

[djsFlames]

I don't think that's overvaluing Backlund. While he's not a household name league wide, don't mistaken his value here.

I don't think people realize how key Backlund has been to the success of the team this season. He's our best 2 way forward, is gritty and is now putting up points. He nearly always manages to take the play from our end and finish it in the opposition's end of the rink. Before injury he was consistently impacting games even if not on the scoreboard. There was a stretch after he started to get traction in his game where there was probably a dozen or more consecutive games where I thought he was the best forward on the team, if not on the ice. To the point where him making the Swedish olympic team wouldn't have surprised me. And the fact that he even got himself into the conversation says a lot.

Backlund was a 24th overall pick, but if you remade that draft now, he'd probably sit in the top 15. And I'm positive that other teams around the league don't just see him as spare change. Babcock singled out Backlund for having the makings of a good player long before he got to the level he's at now. You'd have to give up more than Backlund to get the 5th, but he'd be a huge part of the deal for the Isles if they'd do that.

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sorry but that is a garbage offer. 2 30+ players who are not even top players and trading down 29 picks is not enough

Islanders will want a player that helps now and years to come. 21-27 year old winger to play with JT is my guess. Bobby Ryan, Evander Kane, Brayden Schenn something like that.

There is some massive over-rating of Flames players in this thread and under-rating the value a top 5 pick has in a cap world

It all depends on what they see coming up in their organization, if they need help the next couple years it could work for them. There is without doubt, a need on their team for some leadership, you can't discount that too much. Sure they are not top players but they could certainly be big building blocks to a playoff team. Plus at 30, 31 and 31 they aren't exactly over the hill, they still could have 5+ serviceable years ahead of them.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sorry but that is a garbage offer. 2 30+ players who are not even top players and trading down 29 picks is not enough

Islanders will want a player that helps now and years to come. 21-27 year old winger to play with JT is my guess. Bobby Ryan, Evander Kane, Brayden Schenn something like that.

There is some massive over-rating of Flames players in this thread and under-rating the value a top 5 pick has in a cap world

I said a 2015 pick, not a 2014. In a deeper draft, they'd be getting a second rounder since they made a bonehead move on Snow's part with the Vanek trade. Additionally, if Moulson doesn't come back, they need immediate help with, something that Glencross and Hudler can do. Wideman puts up decent points for a 30 year old. Sure the Isles will want 21-27 year olds, but they already have enough of those. They need more veterans, and just think of what JT and Hudler could do on one line. Hudler and Wideman are both very good on the power play as well.

Garbage offer? I wouldn't say that... But I agree that it's possible they wouldn't accept it. Adding in a 3rd rounder from this or next year might help too.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sorry but that is a garbage offer. 2 30+ players who are not even top players and trading down 29 picks is not enough

Islanders will want a player that helps now and years to come. 21-27 year old winger to play with JT is my guess. Bobby Ryan, Evander Kane, Brayden Schenn something like that.

There is some massive over-rating of Flames players in this thread and under-rating the value a top 5 pick has in a cap world

There is a major Wild card at play in this scenario though, and that is the fact that we're talking about the Islanders.

This is an organization that can't seem to hang onto anybody.

Last year they lost Streit, and now this year they lost MacDonald. You're telling me they wouldn't see value in a veteran, big minute 40+ point defenseman like Wideman....especially with him locked up for a few more years, and even more especially if the Flames retained a bit of salary?

Last year they couldn't get Parenteau to re-up, then this year they spent a first round pick on the chance to do a minor upgrade from Moulson to Vanek, and HE didn't want nothing to do with them long term. I am sure they would love to add a saavy 50 point winger like Hudler who also has some term left on his deal.

How are the Isles going to get guys like that? It's not like UFA's are lined up to sign with them, even with Tavares there.

Wideman upon being traded there would instantly become their top producing, #1 defenseman. (although Hamonic would be neck and neck with him)
Hudler upon being traded there would instantly become their #1 left winger.

That sounds like "immediate help" to me.

I know Hudler and Wideman aren't "elite" players, but they are serviceable, so let's not act like we'd be dumping complete garbage on the Isles.

...and let's also not act like we'd be drafting MacKinnon with the 5th overall.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I don't think that's overvaluing Backlund. While he's not a household name league wide, don't mistaken his value here.

I don't think people realize how key Backlund has been to the success of the team this season. He's our best 2 way forward, is gritty and is now putting up points. He nearly always manages to take the play from our end and finish it in the opposition's end of the rink. Before injury he was consistently impacting games even if not on the scoreboard. There was a stretch after he started to get traction in his game where there was probably a dozen or more consecutive games where I thought he was the best forward on the team, if not on the ice. To the point where him making the Swedish olympic team wouldn't have surprised me. And the fact that he even got himself into the conversation says a lot.

Backlund was a 24th overall pick, but if you remade that draft now, he'd probably sit in the top 15. And I'm positive that other teams around the league don't just see him as spare change. Babcock singled out Backlund for having the makings of a good player long before he got to the level he's at now. You'd have to give up more than Backlund to get the 5th, but he'd be a huge part of the deal for the Isles if they'd do that.

Looking at only the 1st round, but he would go top 10.

[Fire]

A lot of people are trading Hudler. If the Flames lose Cammalleri and trade Hudler they would have the worse offense in the league next season. I guess that's good if you want a shot at McDavid.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

This. He's turning into a formidable two way beast and our go to face off man in the defensive zone. Getting rid of him now for a prospect smacks of tanking. Look how many extra shots we started giving up when he became injured. It was no coincidence.

I'd suggest our offense improved at that same time. Regardless of what we think of him, the stars aligned pretty well for him this year, he still didn't hit 20 goals (even if pro-rating) and had another nagging injury at the end of the year.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

I'd suggest our offense improved at that same time. Regardless of what we think of him, the stars aligned pretty well for him this year, he still didn't hit 20 goals (even if pro-rating) and had another nagging injury at the end of the year.

Please don't come and ruin this thread. We all know your disliking of Backlund.