[News] Cammalleri has NOT been traded. Upd: Cammalleri likely heading to free agency

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I'm fine with Cammalleri moving on from the Flames. Opens a top spot.

Burke isn't going to have 5 small guys (Hudler, Cammy, Baertschi, Byron, Gaudreau) on the top 2 lines.

This is the time to play prospects and really see what we have.

This type of thinking drives me nuts. And this isn't just directed at you Csinmyblood.
Good teams don't hand top spots to rookies. Or hope that one of their young guys can be good in that role. Good team have established forwards in those roles and hope that a young player can push them out of a spot. Depth is created that way as well. If you had a guy in a top 6 role who is transplanted by a better younger player, it means you have a guy who can step up and play top 6 if someone gets hurt.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

This type of thinking drives me nuts. And this isn't just directed at you Csinmyblood.
Good teams don't hand top spots to rookies. Or hope that one of their young guys can be good in that role. Good team have established forwards in those roles and hope that a young player can push them out of a spot. Depth is created that way as well. If you had a guy in a top 6 role who is transplanted by a better younger player, it means you have a guy who can step up and play top 6 if someone gets hurt.

We're not a good team, and we'll no longer have that established guy.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

This type of thinking drives me nuts. And this isn't just directed at you Csinmyblood.
Good teams don't hand top spots to rookies. Or hope that one of their young guys can be good in that role. Good team have established forwards in those roles and hope that a young player can push them out of a spot. Depth is created that way as well. If you had a guy in a top 6 role who is transplanted by a better younger player, it means you have a guy who can step up and play top 6 if someone gets hurt.

Thank you!!!

We can't expect all the rookies to come in and replace the offence that Cammy brings. They need seasoning and find out what it takes to be a pro. We have to remember that all these guys are all young and won't make an impact in the NHL immediately.

Gaudreau and Poirier will most likely spend most of their next season in the AHL. Frankly it's the best place for them, it seems to be working for Baertschi. I think expectations for Gaudreau are too high and he obviously needs to work on things in his game (like playing against men). Gaudreau obviously has the tools to be a great player but what would be the downfall of a year in the AHL?

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by nik-

We're not a good team, and we'll no longer have that established guy.

Cammys an established player. Don't see how anyone who's watched him over his career can disagree. Also the poster you were responding to made a mistake in saying good teams don't open up a spot for rookies based on potential, he should have said competent teams.

Edit: Maybe misread the second part of your post.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Gaudreau
Baertschi
Klimchuk
Poirier
Granlund
(possibly Dal Colle)

... Cammy who?

None of those guy have done/proved anything at the NHL level. As a matter of fact, it is likely that half of those never pan out to be legit every day NHLers. No need to get carried away about prospects. This isnt Edmonton.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Cammys an established player. Don't see how anyone who's watched him over his career can disagree. Also the poster you were responding to made a mistake in saying good teams don't open up a spot for rookies based on potential, he should have said competent teams.

Edit: Maybe misread the second part of your post.

Cammy is an established player, but he's not going to be here.

[Matty81]

I agree that Cammy should go to open up a spot.

I think that as long as there is competition for the spot among a group of younger players and they can be sent down and replaced mid season if they get complacent, the principle of meritocracy is still there. At LW, there is enough depth and competition that removing a vet is a good call.

If we are talking about a right shot winger, maybe another matter, the flames have very poor depth there.

None of them are ever going to surpass Cammy and force him out in the next 2 years with only ahl experience. They'll get better with NHL experience like Monahan did.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by RyZ

None of those guy have done/proved anything at the NHL level. As a matter of fact, it is likely that half of those never pan out to be legit every day NHLers. No need to get carried away about prospects. This isnt Edmonton.

Never said it was. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind Cammy staying or leaving as well, the decision is essentially up to him.

Half of you posters are saying we need more spots for the rookies, so keeping Cammy off the roster would address that problem.

Also, with that list, it shows how stacked our LW depth is.

I think the new question is whether to keep Glencross or Cammy, you shouldn't have both.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I agree that Cammy should go to open up a spot.

What people are effectively saying when they say this, is that they want Eichel or McDavid.

...I mean, I'm not against that completely, as we saw a lot of very entertaining losses this year - but just make sure that when you say things like this, you actually understand the impact it will have.

If we had moved Cammy for a pick at the deadline, it's pretty likely we're drafting 2nd or 3rd, not 4th.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What people are effectively saying when they say this, is that they want Eichel or McDavid.

...I mean, I'm not against that completely, as we saw a lot of very entertaining losses this year - but just make sure that when you say things like this, you actually understand the impact it will have.

If we had moved Cammy for a pick at the deadline, it's pretty likely we're drafting 2nd or 3rd, not 4th.

No chance we would've drafted 2nd or 3rd, we were 10 points ahead of the good ol' team up north.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

This type of thinking drives me nuts. And this isn't just directed at you Csinmyblood.
Good teams don't hand top spots to rookies. Or hope that one of their young guys can be good in that role. Good team have established forwards in those roles and hope that a young player can push them out of a spot. Depth is created that way as well. If you had a guy in a top 6 role who is transplanted by a better younger player, it means you have a guy who can step up and play top 6 if someone gets hurt.

The type of thinking that a prospect cannot take a top role on a team drives me nuts.

If any of our rooks have a great camp and exhibition season then they aren't "handed a top spot", they will deserve that ice-time. I'm saying who cares if Cammy leaves. Jarome left, Jokinen left, Bouwmeester left. Guys stepped up and took their spots. This is rebuild time. This is where you find out who can step in now and who needs more time in the AHL.

We have many established players that are going to be on this team. Look around the league, many teams give rookies the ice-time to show what they have.

I'm not saying if a guy isn't ready to give him a spot just cause, I'm saying if a guy shows he can make the team, have room for him to make the team. Cammalleri is not going to be a guy who is on this team when we finally are Cup contenders, so who cares if he isn't here next season. What will happen, we wont make the playoffs next year without him? Not happening with him here either.

Out of all the prospects we have, I'm confident one or two of them will show they are ready to make the step into the NHL next season. If not then the next season for sure. You think Cammalleri is going to sign a one year deal? He will want 4-5 years no doubt about it. Are you trying to say you don't think some of our young guys will be ready in 2 years time?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What people are effectively saying when they say this, is that they want Eichel or McDavid.

...I mean, I'm not against that completely, as we saw a lot of very entertaining losses this year - but just make sure that when you say things like this, you actually understand the impact it will have.

If we had moved Cammy for a pick at the deadline, it's pretty likely we're drafting 2nd or 3rd, not 4th.

Completely disagree that getting rid of Cammy is admitting we're tanking. I think keeping him is admitting that we think no one can step up in his spot. I think that given a chance, a kid like Sven might be able to actually do well (if not him then someone else like Johnny). Letting Cammy go could mean a bunch of things like he just doesn't want to play here or he wants too much money or we think we could get more out of our dollar from someone else. Keeping Cammy could work out but so could letting him walk. I'm just excited to see who's on this team and I won't be upset either way.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What people are effectively saying when they say this, is that they want Eichel or McDavid.

...I mean, I'm not against that completely, as we saw a lot of very entertaining losses this year - but just make sure that when you say things like this, you actually understand the impact it will have.

If we had moved Cammy for a pick at the deadline, it's pretty likely we're drafting 2nd or 3rd, not 4th.

I'm not saying throw the season, just that LW is cluttered and we already have enough competition there, potentially open an opportunity for a young guy who earns it or at least bring in an actual right wing.

I know they are playing guys on their off wings because there are already so many left hand shot wingers with the flames, Bouma, Hudler, Glencross, Colborne, Galiardi and Byron are all left shots who played wing for part of the year.

If you want to spend 5 mil a year, chase after someone like Callahan who is a natural right wing. You can convert players but making and receiving passes on their backhand during the rush is a bad scene, unless you want the flames to be a dump and chase team they need some actual right shots. If a young guy like Gaudreau or Sven earns a spot among the remaining left shots next year because he's gone, all the better.

[Teroy]

All I can say is thank goodness most of you have nothing to do with how the team looks going forward. You'd trade away half the team to make space for unproven rookies or veterans no better than what we've got. Rookies should have to play good enough to displace a veteran. We shouldn't just be making space for them. As for veterans we want, show me a UFA better than what we've got. Time to show some patience. As to next years draft quit banking on McDavid. He's unproven and our chances of getting him remote. Have a serious look at who we have in the system. We've signed many of them to ELCs, give them a chance to see if they can make the Flames.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by RyZ

None of those guy have done/proved anything at the NHL level. As a matter of fact, it is likely that half of those never pan out to be legit every day NHLers. No need to get carried away about prospects. This isnt Edmonton.

Talk about a porcupine at the balloon party. We're not allowed to get excited about our prospects.. Few of these guys should be expected to be NHLers? I somehow highly doubt that. Also Cammy, even if signed, only has use to this team for a few more years as he'll start to pass his prime as a player. We have to start looking towards these guys to fill his shoes. It's not exactly a crime to look at that pool and at least be impressed.

Fact is, we are deep at LW with talent.

You must have a hard time enjoying anything if as a fan you can't at least enjoy one of our few organizational strengths we do have.

[IgiTang]

Ownership likely won't want to commit long term to Cammi at the money he will demand simply because we are going to lose more games than win next year. Investing money in a poor(rebuilding) team at this point makes little to no sense.

Yes there is a cap floor and we have to hit it. But that can be achieved by other means than investing in a guy who will be well passed his prime before this team is competitive.

Spend to get to the floor by taking on some short-term bad contracts or slightly overpaying for short term players in and around the pre- or at "apex" players. This allows a number of good things for the team moving forward.

1) Allows us to see if any UFA's are worthy of moving forward with the club.
2) Opens up a roster spot for a rookie and allows them to compete for said spot and hey, one could really surprise and bring MORE than Cammi offers.
3) Allows ownership to make a little money through the rebuild by just hitting the cap floor the next 2 years. And they will if the Flames play as hard next year as they did this year.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Just to weigh in on some of the conversation. Regardless if we are talking Cammy or otherwise, you do not make moves to "open up spots".............unless you are talking about not having room to sign young players to pro contracts. But if that's not at risk, you don't NEED...........scratch that.....you don't NEED or WANT to remove vets to "open spots".

You want to create the OPPORTUNITY for a young player to EARN a spot against veteran players, not be handed one. Handing young players spots is actually bad for their development, competition for the spot is good for their development. People need to stop worrying about "making room" simply because they want to be able to fill out their roster cards in a B/W fashion. Take a look at the Flames veterans, including if we re-sign Cammy.........there is plenty of Opportunity there for our young players.....we don't need to make it any easier than it already is.

[3rd line Grinder]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Just to weigh in on some of the conversation. Regardless if we are talking Cammy or otherwise, you do not make moves to "open up spots".............unless you are talking about not having room to sign young players to pro contracts. But if that's not at risk, you don't NEED...........scratch that.....you don't NEED or WANT to remove vets to "open spots".

You want to create the OPPORTUNITY for a young player to EARN a spot against veteran players, not be handed one. Handing young players spots is actually bad for their development, competition for the spot is good for their development. People need to stop worrying about "making room" simply because they want to be able to fill out their roster cards in a B/W fashion. Take a look at the Flames veterans, including if we re-sign Cammy.........there is plenty of Opportunity there for our young players.....we don't need to make it any easier than it already is.

soo....... all i got from this is that the oilers are no good

[IgiTang]

Its funny.. You guys keep saying a young player needs to earn a spot in order to remove the veteran.

Right now, the veteran IS removed. The vet doesn't NEED to be removed. IS. For the time being.

The question is, how to fill that hole going forward?

Re-sign Cammy to his demanded price and term, whatever that may be?

Leave that spot vacant and allow a dog fight for it?

Or find a temporary plug to fill the hole until someone is ready?

But to go on about a rookie being handed the spot is nonsense and isn't going to happen.

If a rookie comes out of the dogfight and get the top6 spot, whether we think they are ready or not, is quite possible and isn't necessarily wrong.

The NHL is getting younger.. Deal with it.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I hope Cammalleri comes back. Would much rather him than Hudler.

I know they are both small, but Hudler gets knocked off the puck so easily I find it very frustrating to watch. Cammalleri plays bigger, even though he isn't.