Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I'm not putting any stigma onto anything, you really are just taking a victim mentality when it is erroneous. Just because you have mental health issues does not mean everyone else is the same.

If someone is killing people they are not mentally well, the eagerness to use the words scapegoat and stigma are tired rhetorical methods. I've got a degree in psychology, nowhere in any of my learning did I learn about healthy minds going on killing sprees. The two are mutually exclusive because the act of killing someone is psychopathic showing lack of empathy, having such a lack of empathy that one could go on a killing spree is indicative of mental health issues. And if you were truly educated on the matter you would know that it works on a spectrum, even if you had the exact same described illness as the young man in this situation it does not mean you are going to do the same thing as you are not an extreme case and reside in a functional state of mind.

Looking at a situation through the lens of critical thinking does not make it a stigmatization, it is in fact the opposite because a better cultural understanding of the situation makes it possible to assess if its preventable in the future. Awareness is not stigmatization, condemnation and judgement are and nobody's doing that here.

I agree with this, but keep in mind Dion also probably noticed the lack of 'critical thinking' being done by many others. People saying "dat kid must be some kinda whackjob" style of posting does not add to a conversation.

[pylon]

As someone who has dealt with a few tragic, untimely deaths in my life, all I can say to those in this thread that lost friends, is be there unconditionally for the surviving family.

Right now isn't about why, or how.... non of that reverses the situation. It is about supporting the people greatest affected by this now, the living victims that called these bright young people their children, brothers and sisters.

In time, all the details will come out of why, and there will be plenty of time for anger. But for the foreseeable future, all there is is sorrow, sadness, loneliness..... emptiness. Help these mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters heal. I am not a religious man, but just a hand on the shoulder, and the presence of a friend, can help heal the incredible hurt these people will be feeling inside.

I am terribly saddened for what has happened to your friends. This is just unspeakable. But you can continue to do right onto them, by touching the hearts of those who will miss them the most. Just because they are gone, doesn't mean you can't still be there for them.

RIP to all involved.

[Kelekin]

Mostly a collection of quotes about the victims. http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/100...d-as-the-bsd5/

Reddit thread from the brother of one of the victims.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comm..._and_his_band/

[Mass_nerder]

I didn't know him, but I had some beers with a prof. and some fellow students at the ldl yesterday, and I'm pretty sure one of the victims came in to meet up with a couple of the guys at our table.
Wow, that hits close to home.

[stazzy33]

For those saying why didn't people see he was having mental health issues, the reason may be that there was no way others could have known.

From personal experience (I have been dealing with depression and anxiety for years) it is very very easy to hide how you are feeling. You feel a great amount of dread all the time, but it's not to hard to put on a smile and act like everything is fine in the world for a couple hours a day. Even when people ask you how you are doing it's almost better to say "I'm fine", than try to explain your feelings (especially for guys, since society tells us we aren't supposed to have feelings).

I am not saying one way or another whether the suspect had a mental illness or not, and no one will know for sure until more information comes out.

Personally the stigma that still surrounds mental illness makes it incredibly tough for those who wish to seek help. People who use words like crazy or insane reinforce the idea that something is wrong with having a mental illness. Often it can be triggered by a chemical imbalance that the individual has absolutely no control over.

My condolences go out to the families and friends affected by this, including you Kelkin.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

The bolded part is my beef. You say he must have mental illness when it could be something else. For all we know, he may of had some anger issues with some of the people at the party and snapped at the wrong time.

All i'm saying is that we should wait untill all the facts are out before we jump to unfair conclusions.

snapping and killing someone=mental illness

stable people don't snap and start killing people

killing 5 people in cold blood is not something a stable person does, there is not one thing to blame in this situation but the guy obviously had some form of mental illness

I am not even posting anymore just responding to quotes about things I have said so if you don't want to discuss if further leave it at that

[saskflames69]

Apparently there was a mass stabbing at Cornwall Centre in Regina a few hours ago. Four people stabbed at random by a youth.

I wonder if the little scuzz saw what happened in Calgary this morning and convinced himself that he could outdo it?

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/C...216/story.html

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by dino7c

snapping and killing someone=mental illness

stable people don't snap and start killing people

killing 5 people in cold blood is not something a stable person does, there is not one thing to blame in this situation but the guy obviously had some form of mental illness

I am not even posting anymore just responding to quotes about things I have said so if you don't want to discuss if further leave it at that

I encourage you to read this paper in the British Journal of Psychiatry about this subject:

Rates of mental disorder in people convicted of homicide
Shaw, J., Hunt, I., Flynn, S. et al.
The British journal of psychiatry : the journal of mental science, 2006, Vol.188, pp.143-7
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/188/2/143.long

If you don't have access to the article PM me or post here and I could give you a summary of it's purpose and results. It just goes over the points people have been trying to make that black and white answers such as what you are painting is incorrect in this situation. I know you don't want to discuss this anymore and we don't need to on this thread, just wanted to post this article so you and others could discover more about violence and mental disorders.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I'm not putting any stigma onto anything, you really are just taking a victim mentality when it is erroneous. Just because you have mental health issues does not mean everyone else is the same.

If someone is killing people they are not mentally well, the eagerness to use the words scapegoat and stigma are tired rhetorical methods. I've got a degree in psychology, nowhere in any of my learning did I learn about healthy minds going on killing sprees. The two are mutually exclusive because the act of killing someone is psychopathic showing lack of empathy, having such a lack of empathy that one could go on a killing spree is indicative of mental health issues. And if you were truly educated on the matter you would know that it works on a spectrum, even if you had the exact same described illness as the young man in this situation it does not mean you are going to do the same thing as you are not an extreme case and reside in a functional state of mind.

Looking at a situation through the lens of critical thinking does not make it a stigmatization, it is in fact the opposite because a better cultural understanding of the situation makes it possible to assess if its preventable in the future. Awareness is not stigmatization, condemnation and judgement are and nobody's doing that here.

It's not about victim mentality but more about some of the posts I have read in this thread and their lack of understanding.

You clearly have an understanding of the subject and I appreciate the info that you have posted. Judging by the thanks you have given more people have been educated and I thank you for that

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Muta

If true, was the female victim the girl? Could be... the four guys probably weren't all fighting over her, but perhaps one or two. The others could have been their friends and supported them?

Either way, here comes the 'sexual pride' term brought up earlier in this thread...

I would not be a bit surprised it was over a girl. When I was just out of high school I lost one of my Very best friends I have ever had this way. He and another friend I still am close with were dating and broke up. They remained friends. Later she started dating another one of our friends just after high school and he was always jealous of them still being friends. One day he came over broke up with her . He went homegrabed a knife from his room too a cab up to the esso in Aberdeen in Kamloops and stabbed him 6 different times. We had all just been hanging out together just before this happened at hers and mines home . I lived with her and her family throughout highschool.

Now the reason I bring up this story is I don't necessarily believe this suspect has a mental illness. The guy from my story had no mental illnesses. In fact He had just had a mental evaluation and cleared for the armed forces. He had also just been cleared for service with the Kamloops RCMP a few weeks earlier and had choose them instead. This event happened 2 Days before he was to begin training with the RCMP.

In his court case he was cleared of any mental health illnesses. He even testified He had just went to talk to him but was taking over by rage once he saw him. He turned him self in right after he saw what he had done. He used the nearest pay phone to the station.

[Senator Clay Davis]

This is Dave Mustaine discussing "Dread and the Fugitive Mind"

Originally Posted by Dave Mustaine

"It's about judgment. The great paradox is if there isn't a God and you live your life like a good person, you haven't lost anything. If there is a God and you lived your life like a dirtbag, you're screwed. Basically what I'm saying is, 'What if there's no judgment?' I think a lot of times people have gotten up on the moral hilltop and yelled down to the masses down at the bottom of the valley about their spiritual superiority and it just alienates you."

Apparently most of his "crazy" Facebook rants that were deleted were political rants and not violent ones.

[ben voyonsdonc]

I knew Lawrence Hong. He was a friend of mine - although we hadn't hung out in a long time. He was one of the nicest and sweetest people you will ever meet. It is kind of cliche to say that about people when they die but it was true. He was a genuinely smiley, funny, nerdy person. To think that such a gentle soul's life would end in such a violent way makes no sense to me.

[malcolmk14]

I don't know any of the victims but I have mutual friends with all of them. One person I know is friends with four of them. I can't imagine what he is feeling today. This hits pretty close to home, it could have been anyone. A lot of my friends and family were out partying that night, I am so glad they are all OK.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by saskflames69

Apparently there was a mass stabbing at Cornwall Centre in Regina a few hours ago. Four people stabbed at random by a youth.

I wonder if the little scuzz saw what happened in Calgary this morning and convinced himself that he could outdo it?

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/C...216/story.html

Yea, I heard about that too. Not to railroad the thread, but I'm glad my wife didn't decide to go shopping there yesterday as she was thinking about it. I haven't heard of anybody dying yet, although I heard it was completely random.

Genuinely a scary world out there these days, but people have to continue living their lives and hope for the best.

Truly feel for everybody involved in Calgary, even the accused family. Life that is taken so early and so senselessly.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

not to derail the thread, but source please.

The book Risk by Dan Gardner explores this whole concept in great detail. Also, why we may not think it is actually decreasing. A great read if you have any interest in this kind of thing and how we process risk in general.

Highly recommend it.

[Language]

A gallery of the five beautiful people whose lives were cut short. So senseless. I hope they went quickly and weren't in fear.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...813/story.html

[Kelekin]

Woken up by a reporter from The Globe & Mail. Was a little frustrated that half of her questions could've been answered by a quick glance at his FB page and it wasn't really a way I wanted to wake up.

[stazzy33]

They had one of the band members on AM770 this morning and it was incredibly hard to listen to. It bothers me so much how media seems to need to have a immediate reaction from friends and family. Why they can't just give these people some space always surprises me.

[Kelekin]

Originally Posted by stazzy33

They had one of the band members on AM770 this morning and it was incredibly hard to listen to. It bothers me so much how media seems to need to have a immediate reaction from friends and family. Why they can't just give these people some space always surprises me.

My understanding is some of the newspapers have been trying to contact friends only, because they don't want to bug the families. I agree though.

I e-mailed a G&M reporter criticizing this piece (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle18037787/) because they used the accused's picture as the preview piece as well as right above the victims. I feel order is important, and it is hugely disrespectful to profile the accused right directly above the victims. Perhaps I'm just being nitpicky, but I suggested he should be on the bottom, not the top if they're going to do a "general profile" of all involved.

[Cole436]

One of the victims has turned out to be a person I've known for years...

I don't even know how to react to this.

RIP, Lawrence, and the rest of the victims.

####ing sensless.