Burke mandates lower jersey numbers

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Darryl Sutter did this for years. I don't remember dramatics and whining about it then.

This.

It's not like this is a new concept.

With Darryl, once you were apart of the team you had to get a traditional number. Feaster didn't seem to care about what number people were using and let it slide and now Burke is brining it back to what Darryl had already started.

[daredevil]

Originally Posted by HerbalMagic

Pretty sure it states that they don't get a real number until they've made the team. So no random call ups don't fall under this "rule"

Maybe you should think before posting.

Thanks tips.
Pretty sure the original two tweets in this thread do not state that at all.

[Schraderbrau]

It's just a number. Let the players pick their own number as long as it's not a team retired or honoured number.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by HerbalMagic

Pretty sure it states that they don't get a real number until they've made the team. So no random call ups don't fall under this "rule"

Maybe you should think before posting.

This kind of unnecessary differentation between "real numbers" and "other numbers" is IMO just stupid. Depth call ups are an important part of the organization, without them we can't put a full roster out there every night. Marking them as lower class players with a different set of numbers is IMO a bit of a ######bag move.

It's a typical micromanagement decision really;
- Empty catch phrase offered as "rationalization"? Check
- Zero relevance to what the organization is supposed to be doing? Check.
- Doesn't really matter one way or the other, but just creates some extra annoyance, especially to people lower on the organizational totem pole? (equipment people and players low on the depth chart)? Check.
- Based on the personal whims of some old guy in a high position? Check

[mikeecho]

I'm just curious where this fits in Burke's rebuild phasing philosophy.

Is this the last step of phase #1 (Crawl), or is this the first step of phase #2 (walk)?

I'm guessing he has had this task on his whiteboard in the office for some time. Maybe we just passed a milestone?

Phase 1 (Crawl) **COMPLETE**
X - Buy 2 week supply of red ties
X - Buy house
X - Buy big a$$ truck
X - Fire Feaster
X - Demote Baertschi
X - Trade Berra
X - Speak at luncheon
X - Sign Gaudreau
X - Sign Arnold

Phase 2 (Walk)
X - Piss around with the numbers
_ - Install asbestos flooring
_ - Hide goalie masks
_ - Replace all sticks with Northland wood models
_ - Order team supply of Cooperalls
_ - Sign Poirier
_ - Run the draft
_ - Hire a GM

[Racki]

I think it's much ado about nothing. For years the New York Yankees have stipulated length of hair and facial hair. That's even more intrusive. Ever here a complaint? No. If you're gonna be a Yankee, you're gonna look like a Yankee. If you're gonna be a Flame, you'll where a traditional number. Not really a big deal.

PS. Go Jays. I hate the Yankees.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by HerbalMagic

Pretty sure it states that they don't get a real number until they've made the team. So no random call ups don't fall under this "rule"



Maybe you should think before posting.

I know this isn't a new concept, but defining it so blatantly only serves to segregate guys being called up.

Higher numbers are something of a mockery at that point, a further reminder that while you may have made the team, and are battling alongside these guys... You don't really belong.

I dunno, I just don't like it.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I have to agree with StrykerSteve on this one. But maybe it will also serve to motivate the call ups and remind them they still have work to do / not be complacent after 10 or so games.

[Igottago]

I don't mind this. Its about setting a standard. If Burke want's to create a culture of team before individual, I'm all for it.

And while he's setting standards, I hope he banishes the god awful 3rd Jerseys and mandates the vintage jerseys as the main uniform again. I have no issues with the Flames looking like a traditional hockey team again.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I don't mind this. Its about setting a standard. If Burke want's to create a culture of team before individual, I'm all for it.

And while he's setting standards, I hope he banishes the god awful 3rd Jerseys and mandates the vintage jerseys as the main uniform again. I have no issues with the Flames looking like a traditional hockey team again.

It also gives kids something to work for IMO. I remember when it was a big deal when a young player shed his training camp number.

[C-ero]

I liked Baertschi's 47 though.

[Mightyfire89]

What a bunch of pointless nonsense. I can't imagine why a rational person would care that a player wants to wear a high number. Borderline ######ed imo.

[Tbull8]

So what's Bennett gonna wear?

[looooob]

Originally Posted by tbull8

so what's bennett gonna wear?

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[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Itse

This kind of unnecessary differentation between "real numbers" and "other numbers" is IMO just stupid. Depth call ups are an important part of the organization, without them we can't put a full roster out there every night. Marking them as lower class players with a different set of numbers is IMO a bit of a ######bag move.

It's a typical micromanagement decision really;
- Empty catch phrase offered as "rationalization"? Check
- Zero relevance to what the organization is supposed to be doing? Check.
- Doesn't really matter one way or the other, but just creates some extra annoyance, especially to people lower on the organizational totem pole? (equipment people and players low on the depth chart)? Check.
- Based on the personal whims of some old guy in a high position? Check

You say "micro managing" like its definetly a bad thing. While I can't for the life of me understand why this would matter either way, and would love To understand what Burke himself feels this accomplishes as I don't think it will help or hurt. Regardless, I agree its a micro manage decision, but that doesn't make it bad. Biggest leadership / falicy is that micro managing is always a bad thing. Simply not true, just like any other managing decision, it is only bad if applied in the wrong situation. The opposite management style to micro managing, pure delegation is actually equally as bad, if applied in the wrong situation. The best leaders correctly identify each situation correctly and apply the correct leadership style for the situation, whether that be micro managing and anything in between all the way up to delegation. Being micro managed actually makes people happy if they are a situation when they need it (although they are rarely self aware enough to realize what happened and why they liked it).

Regardless, I still don't think numbers matter, so I don't get it. But I'd guess it does show that Burke feels the best thing for this young group for the next little while is a lot of structure and "micro management" while they start their NHL careers and I guess the number thing is just another way to add structure.

[Itse]

I know micromanagement has at least had a more "proper" management meaning, but I don't think it's used pretty much ever anymore. The connotations are just too negative. At least I only ever hear it used when people refer to generally stupid or annoying PHB stuff, and that's how I use it. But obviously, different words in different circles.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

_ - Sign Poirier

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=698317

That was part of Phase One.

Is battling Thanos for the Infinity Gems part of Phase three?

[saXon]

Originally Posted by looooob

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No.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

So if we drated a kid like Patty Kane - would we tell him he can only have 88 until he makes the team full time? The more I think of it - the more it seems like we should just let people have the numbers that they want. Wether thats 99, 87, or whatever.

[TheKing]

I absolutely hate the idea that you have to pick low numbers for some completely arbitrary reason, and say it has to do with teamwork dynamics? Stupid.

You can give a mini boost to players who do get their numbers, but at the same time people who don't get their numbers are going to be wondering if they 'fit in' since 'you only get lower numbers if you're truly going to stick around'.

But think about it as a pro player, they just want to play, nobody gives a #### what number is on your back, you just want to play. So I think we're making a big deal out of nothing.