[News] Mike Gillis fired. Linden named President. of Hockey Ops

[Stupid]

That letter changes my point of view on the path the 'nucks are going to take next year. I doubt you put out that kind of letter and then tear it down for a rebuild and expect your fanbase to renew anyway; it's just illogical.

I think they'll try to ice a competitive team (and thus not rebuild) which is great news!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by saXon

It's a shame the fanbase will eventually crucify their golden boy. It's a shame it will happen to such a respectful guy.

No one is forcing Linden to take the job, I'm sure he knows full well what he is in for.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by zamler

No one is forcing Linden to take the job, I'm sure he knows full well what he is in for.

I look at it as more of taking a job because of the pay, the history, and the proximity to the team you've played for your whole career. The fans just come with it.

Regardless of whether he's focused on what the fans are going to be thinking (which really pales in comparison to focusing on his position's duties, and executing them properly), it doesn't negate the fact that it shows how fickle the fanbase is, and how sad it'll be to see such a class act get smeared.

[morgin]

Why fickle though? Either Gillis deserved to get fired or he didn't, and most people here have been mocking him all year along with the collapse of the team. The Van fans liked him as long as the team seemed successful in the regular season, and then turned on him after a year of painful trades and poor performance.

If Linden sucks as a President and loses the fanbase, regardless of his revered status, people will call for his head. Maybe in a nicer way since he's a more likable guy but that's the nature of every hockey management or coaching position in the NHL ever. Memories are short. He shouldn't be exempt from criticism of his job as President just because he was a very likable player.

[jeffman]

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/...ticle17892642/

Way to stand behind your coach Mr Aquilini

[saXon]

Originally Posted by morgin

Why fickle though? Either Gillis deserved to get fired or he didn't, and most people here have been mocking him all year along with the collapse of the team. The Van fans liked him as long as the team seemed successful in the regular season, and then turned on him after a year of painful trades and poor performance.

If Linden sucks as a President and loses the fanbase, regardless of his revered status, people will call for his head. Maybe in a nicer way since he's a more likable guy but that's the nature of every hockey management or coaching position in the NHL ever. Memories are short. He shouldn't be exempt from criticism of his job as President just because he was a very likable player.

I'm not going to go through the list of reasons why the Canucks fanbase is fickle. I live here and breathe it every day.

I don't need to point out my city has been burned down twice by them, nor that their franchise goalie was chastised for years because of shortcomings only to be loved when he was shown the door, nor that their head coach who was doing a fine job with their aging team had been canned for the likes of a guy that likes to throw down in the opposing team's hallway, loved him then, but now that they are out of the playoffs, the fans want Torts' head too, etc etc.

If you want to see reasons for Canucks fan fickleness, check out the Vancouver is no good thread. I hear it's an excellent read, and a much valued source of info.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by moon

Kelser and the 8th/9th/10th pick could be attractive and the type of guy they could really use behind the RNH/Hall line but doubt he waives to go there.

Doubt Edler/Bieksa or even Hamhuis and the 1st is enough to get it done.

those are horrible trades for Vancouver

[morgin]

Originally Posted by saXon

I'm not going to go through the list of reasons why the Canucks fanbase is fickle. I live here and breathe it every day.

I don't need to point out my city has been burned down twice by them, nor that their franchise goalie was chastised for years because of shortcomings only to be loved when he was shown the door, nor that their head coach who was doing a fine job with their aging team had been canned for the likes of a guy that likes to throw down in the opposing team's hallway, loved him then, but now that they are out of the playoffs, the fans want Torts' head too, etc etc.

If you want to see reasons for Canucks fan fickleness, check out the Vancouver is no good thread. I hear it's an excellent read, and a much valued source of info.

Oh I didn't mean overall not fickle. No arguments there. Just that with management positions, eventually, every GM/President/hockey ops guy in charge is despised by a portion of the fanbase if they dont bring a cup, and even sometimes they can win the cup and still be run out of town a mere few years later when things are no longer as rosy. Maybe it'll happen faster in Van when things don't go well in a year or two, but it's just the nature of those jobs that it eventually happens.

Having re-read what you said, I agree - it will suck when Linden becomes the target of all the misery and animosity of the fanbase, instead of staying in history as one of the greats.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by saXon

I'm not going to go through the list of reasons why the Canucks fanbase is fickle. I live here and breathe it every day.

Then leave.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Then leave.

True, I base my career and living decisions on the local NHL team and fanbase too

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by morgin

True, I base my career and living decisions on the local NHL team and fanbase too

Well he makes it sound like living here is some sort of horrible chore because he has people who cheer for the local hockey team around him. #### it, if I were that miserable and hated everyone around me I'd be gone. There are other jobs if that is all that is keeping him in a place he hates.

[Wedge]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Then leave.

I'm patient and have faith in the justice system ... it's just a matter of time before the criminals (aka Canuck fans) are incarcerated and Vancouver realises it's potential as a wonderful city to live in.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Then leave.

How about, no? There's more to Vancouver than just hockey genius.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Well he makes it sound like living here is some sort of horrible chore because he has people who cheer for the local hockey team around him. #### it, if I were that miserable and hated everyone around me I'd be gone. There are other jobs if that is all that is keeping him in a place he hates.

If that's what you got out of it, then throw on the Canucks jersey now. Drama certainly seems to follow guys like you around.

Take a hike.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Well he makes it sound like living here is some sort of horrible chore because he has people who cheer for the local hockey team around him. #### it, if I were that miserable and hated everyone around me I'd be gone. There are other jobs if that is all that is keeping him in a place he hates.

Lol, the butt-hurt is strong with this one.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by saXon

How about, no? There's more to Vancouver than just hockey genius.

Sure is, but you sure made it sounds like you were being swamped by it "I breath it every day." Sure makes it sounds like you're drowning in it.

Originally Posted by saXon

If that's what you got out of it, then throw on the Canucks jersey now. Drama certainly seems to follow guys like you around.

Take a hike.

Ah, yeah. Follows me around. Meanwhile you make two riots that didn't even get out of the down town core as "burning your town" down. I for one remember the intense heat and total shut down of those dark days. Hyperbole: Exclusive to Canucks fans.

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Lol, the butt-hurt is strong with this one.

Yup. Nailed it. Derp.

[Split98]

DAMN IT!

6 years of hating EVERYTHING about the Canucks felt great. Now I have to deal with liking Trevor Linden again? Ughhh...

[Resolute 14]

I would be very interested to know what the season ticket renewal rate is in Vancouver right now. That letter with the offer of refundable deposits if the fans don't like upcoming moves smacks of financial desperation. They appear to be trying to keep ticket holders - and doesn't say good things about the potential for a rebuild since they will have to make some big moves.

[moon]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

those are horrible trades for Vancouver

I think Kesler is a very overrated hockey player so he doesn't have much value for me.

Hamhuis a better number 2 than a number 1 so he isn't going to get a kings ransom.

Top 2 picks are rarely dealt so to get one teams are going to have to overpay.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

those are horrible trades for Vancouver

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You guys are in for a rude awakening on the return you'll get for Kesler. 1) he's got a NTC. 2). He doesn't want to play for you and is picky on where he'll go. 3) he's oft injured, the style he plays is breaking him down and has had two major surgeries for his joints (hip and shoulder) in the past. 3) he has a reputation as a diver/whiner to the point there was rumours of the league using him as an example for a diving penalty. 4). He's just not as good as Vancouver fans want to believe.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Gary Ahuja‏@LangleyTSports27 mins

Canucks offering full refund on season tickets until July 11 if you don't like moves at draft/free agency #canucks

Let's suppose you wait until September 1st, and then decide you don't want tickets, or you get a job offer in another city and have to move. Would you not get your full deposit back? Is there a cancellation fee? I can't see a hockey team keeping your money if you don't want your tickets, and if there is a waiting list, it's not like they are out of pocket.