Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[moon]

Originally Posted by snipetype

The one guy that actually tried to criticize fleury rater than me said he wasn't a great skater. he is a great skater. Smoother on his skates and better in transition than ekblad.

When I have seen him his skating seems fine not great. He doesn't seem to have moves like a Doughty or Niedemayer to deke guys out or to create offense with end to end rushes.

Saying it isn't great doesn't mean it sucks by the way.

[moon]

Originally Posted by snipetype

I just think he's a good prospect okay. And I've been playing and watching hockey since I was 3 and consider myself a pretty good evaluator of young talent. The guy is almost a clone to Jacob trouba in his draft year. I just think he's another option for the flames if dal Colle or draisatl turns out to be the wrong fit.

Well of you have been playing and watching hockey since 3 you should have said that.

CP hasn't never played hockey and only watched for a year or two so end of argument there.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by snipetype

I just think he's a good prospect okay. And I've been playing and watching hockey since I was 3 and consider myself a pretty good evaluator of young talent. The guy is almost a clone to Jacob trouba in his draft year. I just think he's another option for the flames if dal Colle or draisatl turns out to be the wrong fit.

And that's all well and good. You are welcome to your opinion and it is no doubt valid.

What is getting you into trouble is that you seem to think that your opinion is correct and all other opinions are invalid.

I have news for you: we pretty much all have been playing since we were 3 and we all think we are pretty good evaluators of talent.

You would do everyone a world of good - including yourself - if you came to the realization that you are not the only person in Canada with an opinion on hockey.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by snipetype

I just think he's a good prospect okay. And I've been playing and watching hockey since I was 3 and consider myself a pretty good evaluator of young talent. The guy is almost a clone to Jacob trouba in his draft year. I just think he's another option for the flames if dal Colle or draisatl turns out to be the wrong fit.

For goodness sakes, moon just explained that Fleury is a good prospect, none of us are considering him a bad pick in any way. He just isn't #5 pick worthy not only in most of our eyes, but also Burke. I keep trying to tell you that you shouldn't keep your hopes up high on this guy because he isn't even on Burke's list whatsoever, and he won't be a Calgary Flame, at least on draft day.

[snipetype]

He's not doughty Keith even bouneester but his skating is near or at an nhl level at 18 for a 6'2 200 pound dman. That doesn't happen all that often..

[strombad]

Originally Posted by snipetype

Yeah ok but I would wayyy rather have a lot of prospects than horvat that were picked after him. It's not my fault gillis didn't pick nichuskib zadorov morin or one of the other top guys. Horvat is meh if you ask me. I like zadorov way more.

No no no.
You said "There is no way Horvat goes before Zadorov" and then blamed the very NOTION of that on CP's obsession with offence. You didn't say "there are players I'd like more" you said there was "NO WAY" he could possibly be picked before Zadarov.

You were wrong, and based on your post history, you're wrong quite a bit. You wouldn't have even included Sven in a package for MacKinnon because Sven is a "proven NHLer" and an "elite forward."

It's fine to be wrong, but stop with this whole "CP this CP that" junk.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by AC

I think CP does have a tendency to be weary of picking defencemen early based on the historical data.

Over the past 20 years or so, its usually the case that defencemen picked in the top 10 don't pan out as well as forwards.

I think it has also been the case more often in the past 20 years that the Flames have had more luck finding and developing defensemen and less luck finding and drafting skilled forwards, therefore we are less worried about finding defensemen.

I agree that it should be irrelevant when the BPA is concerned, but it's just to tempting to not look at forwards first for a lot of us.

[moon]

I know every year there are disagreements and guys who like certain players but 2 guys in 2 days with way over the top views on certain guys doesn't seem normal.

The you are 1000% wrong and I am 1000% right attitude is crazy as well.

[snipetype]

You guys can attack me all you want. It's kind of funny. All I'm sayin is that CP, which includes most of you, underrate defencemen. And this is the guy that CP has totally left for dead and I am merely pointing out that he is just as good or better of a prospects than the guys you spend hours debating about. (Virtanen, Perlini, Richie, dal colle and even draisatl.) and you still continue to attack me and show me that most of you actually know nothing about the main point of my argument. That fleury is a good young dman

[snipetype]

And I'm not even saying he's better I'm just saying he's been left behind in the discussion

[strombad]

He isn't though. So what's your point? "CP" has always discussed Fleury as an option in the 6-10 range, and a fine one at that.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by snipetype

I'm done with defending myself I don't care what you think of me. I was just shocked we picked zykov and petan. Maybe my memories are wrong and maybe I didn't reply. But CP does hate defensive prospects, at least give me that.... All I'm saying is fleury is nearly if not just as good of a prospect as any of the other guys picking at 5

I think this year it's more a situation of not having any really good defensive options where our pick is going to end up. The fact that people don't think Fleury is a top-5 pick isn't the same as everyone hating him. If our pick ends up 6-8, depending on who is left I would have no problem with the Flames drafting Fleury.

Sureloss has even gone as far as compiling a fairly comprehensive list of players that will likely be available around our 2nd rd pick.

Last year was a similar situation. The only defenseman that was a realistic choice at 6th overall was Nurse. I remember posting at one point that I would be a bit disappointed if we picked Nurse over Monahan/Lindholm, but could agree with the move. I wasn't alone in that opinion. By the time it rolled around to our other 1st round picks there just weren't any good options left on defense.

Basically, noone on CP "hates defensive prospects". Most recognize that it's one of the weakest positions in our prospect pool. However you have to draft BPA, regardless of position, and Fleury isn't likely to be that guy.

[djsFlames]

Fleury is good. Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Draisaitl, Dal Colle and even a couple others are better, though. You must be awfully fixated on one guy not to see the skill and potential of these other kids that have easily much higher ceilings.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by snipetype

And I'm not even saying he's better I'm just saying he's been left behind in the discussion

You just contradicted yourself. You are advocating Fleury to be our #5 pick, why else are you going head over heels for him? We all are letting you know there are plenty of other prospects that the Flames need to go after rather than Fleury.

Dal Colle/Draisaitl/Ritchie/Ehlers/Perlini/Virtanen > Fleury

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by snipetype

And I'm not even saying he's better I'm just saying he's been left behind in the discussion

Part of that is also because Burke has made it fairly clear in several interviews that "there's only one defenseman in the top-10". I'm close to being 100% positive at this point we won't be drafting Fleury, so most discussion on him is moot.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by snipetype

And I'm not even saying he's better I'm just saying he's been left behind in the discussion

I am sorry but you have been arguing that he is good enough for a top 3 pick. You are back peddling now.

Originally Posted by snipetype

K well trouba was 8th overall. Ranked far below Matt dumba. Pietrangelo was drafted 4th overall. Bob Mckenzie had fleury at 6. Just watch the prospects game and follow Haydn fleury and tell me he's not the 3rd most talented player in this draft. His skillet stands out he's bigger faster smarter then his peers. We are weak as far as defensive prospects go. To say that there is only one d in the top ten is laughable really. This guy is clearly in the top 6 of this draft. Regardless of his impact at the junior level, he will be an impact player at the nhl and fills a need the flames don't have. For a more recent comparison think Rasmus ristolainen from last draft.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by snipetype

All I'm sayin is that CP, which includes most of you, underrate defencemen.

Roughly around 45% of CP voted for Ekblad as 1st.

[snipetype]

Originally Posted by strombad

He isn't though. So what's your point? "CP" has always discussed Fleury as an option in the 6-10 range, and a fine one at that.

Ok I'm sorry it's just I feel like he has been kind of underrepresented. That's all. And there is usually movement from the top five "so called-concensus". As usually the biggest movers are defencemen because they are harder to project statistically.

[moon]

Originally Posted by snipetype

You guys can attack me all you want. It's kind of funny. All I'm sayin is that CP, which includes most of you, underrate defencemen. And this is the guy that CP has totally left for dead and I am merely pointing out that he is just as good or better of a prospects than the guys you spend hours debating about. (Virtanen, Perlini, Richie, dal colle and even draisatl.) and you still continue to attack me and show me that most of you actually know nothing about the main point of my argument. That fleury is a good young dman

People have barely said anything about Perlini, Virtanen is talked about because he is a Hitman and most of the talk has been he would be a bad choice at 5, Ritchie is talked about because of his size and a few posters fixation on that and again another guy most say would be a bad choice at 5 as well.

Draisatl and Dal Colle get talked about because they are ranked higher in almost, if not all, every ranking out there.

So I guess we could talk more about why Fleury shouldn't be picked at 5 like we have with Ritchie and Virtanen but my guess that isn't what you are looking for.

[snipetype]

Ok sure. Tell me why fleury is clearly the worse prospect than dal colle.