Malaysia Jet missing-Officials conclude crash in Indian ocean/all lives presumed lost

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by Ark2

What is your aviation background?

Ex flight dispatcher, AVgeek and general student of aviation. I was just stating my opinion of a theory.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Ex flight dispatcher, AVgeek and general student of aviation. I was just stating my opinion of a theory.

Thanks. Just trying to understand if the fire theory is plausible as to a layman like myself, it seems to be the most likely.

[Daradon]

I don't think you can separately disconnect the oxygen supply giving the pilots oxygen, but not the passengers. As the reason you stated, oxygen fueling the fire, was stated as a reason the pilots wouldn't have used the masks.

What if the fire started in or near the cockpit. That would make it even worse, no? If the pilots are forced out due to smoke or heat, or the electronics fail quickly...

Originally Posted by ken0042

OK, my turn for a "dumb question."

Let's say there was a fire onboard. Would the following make any sense:

- Descend to 24,000 feet.
- Pilots put on oxygen masks
- Pilots disengage the passenger mask oxygen flow. (You'll see why in a moment.)
- Decompress the cabin to attempt to control the fire. (Like in the Val Kilmer Mars movie.) The reason to disengage the passenger oxygen is to not provide oxygen for the fire.
- Turns out the pilots shut off all oxygen including their own; leading them to suffer from hypoxia.
- Autopilot flies the plane on last course until fuel runs out.

Even remotely possible?

[CaptainCrunch]

This is so similar to the Stephen King Short Story the Langoliers.

[polak]

Clearly we need a way to open doors midflight and parachutes ... #GreenTxt

[Regulator75]

I know it's probably been brought up before...

But, every single person on that flight probably had a cellphone.
Even in the most perilous situations, at least one of the 239 people would have been able to get an emergency text or call to someone.

Even the plane was hijacked and they collected the communication devices, no way they could get them all before someone called out.

Section of plane is on fire, someone calls a loved one.

I think back to 9/11 and all the calls made then, fast forward 13 years and even more people have a mobile device.

Unless the plane was struck by a missile or exploded without warning into a million pieces, it's mindbottling how there's no known calls.

[djsFlames]

I sense a movie about this will surface a couple years down the road..

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

I know it's probably been brought up before...

But, every single person on that flight probably had a cellphone.
Even in the most perilous situations, at least one of the 239 people would have been able to get an emergency text or call to someone.

Even the plane was hijacked and they collected the communication devices, no way they could get them all before someone called out.

Section of plane is on fire, someone calls a loved one.

I think back to 9/11 and all the calls made then, fast forward 13 years and even more people have a mobile device.

Unless the plane was struck by a missile or exploded without warning into a million pieces, it's mindbottling how there's no known calls.

You would have little to no signal at altitude over the ocean. Cell phone tower antenna gain pattern presents a shaped signal that doesn't direct/accept much energy vertically.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

I know it's probably been brought up before...

But, every single person on that flight probably had a cellphone.
Even in the most perilous situations, at least one of the 239 people would have been able to get an emergency text or call to someone.

Even the plane was hijacked and they collected the communication devices, no way they could get them all before someone called out.

Section of plane is on fire, someone calls a loved one.

I think back to 9/11 and all the calls made then, fast forward 13 years and even more people have a mobile device.

Unless the plane was struck by a missile or exploded without warning into a million pieces, it's mindbottling how there's no known calls.

there's a grave assumption there that even one person on the plane owned a satellite phone.

[AndyL]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I don't think you can separately disconnect the oxygen supply giving the pilots oxygen, but not the passengers. As the reason you stated, oxygen fueling the fire, was stated as a reason the pilots wouldn't have used the masks.

What if the fire started in or near the cockpit. That would make it even worse, no? If the pilots are forced out due to smoke or heat, or the electronics fail quickly...

Ok, but flight crew has separate oxygen... Bottled oxygen in the 777 flight deck for crew - not the same systems used for passengers. And they'd go on o2 - fire or not - to ensure they stay conscious... For just that reason - no good to anyone dead.

And if the fire was in the cockpit - plane would have splashed long before - about when the autopilot went melty... Not 6 hours later... 777 is fly by wire; computers go - so does airplane.

[Playfair]

Probably a data but the Malaysians have radar information they don't want to talk about it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-reasons.html

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Playfair

Probably a data but the Malaysians have radar information they don't want to talk about it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-reasons.html

I havn't read the article yet (I will) but I would like it better if it was a better source (yes I know you can't control that).

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Thanks. Just trying to understand if the fire theory is plausible as to a layman like myself, it seems to be the most likely.

It is a actually a good theory, but like I said a fire that causes the damage he suggested who likely end up with the aircraft being destroyed by the fire.

I doubt we will ever know what happened.

[Acey]

US Navy heading out to look for MH370.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

I know it's probably been brought up before...

But, every single person on that flight probably had a cellphone.
Even in the most perilous situations, at least one of the 239 people would have been able to get an emergency text or call to someone.

Even the plane was hijacked and they collected the communication devices, no way they could get them all before someone called out.

Section of plane is on fire, someone calls a loved one.

I think back to 9/11 and all the calls made then, fast forward 13 years and even more people have a mobile device.

Unless the plane was struck by a missile or exploded without warning into a million pieces, it's mindbottling how there's no known calls.

Explanation on exactly this and why not in detail: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te..._for_help.html

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Thanks. Just trying to understand if the fire theory is plausible as to a layman like myself, it seems to be the most likely.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-airliner.html

The fire theory runs counter to the evidence so far, three people familiar with U.S. investigators’ analysis said. They asked not to be identified because they aren’t authorized to speak about the probe.

Critical electrical systems stopped functioning in a way that suggests they were switched off, rather than failing as they would have in a fire, the people said.

Airline crashes due to fires occur less than 20 minutes on average after blazes break out, while satellite transmissions show Flight 370 was operating for as many as seven hours, said John Cox, a Washington-based aviation safety consultant who co-wrote a 2013 U.K. Royal Aeronautical Society report on aircraft fires.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I havn't read the article yet (I will) but I would like it better if it was a better source (yes I know you can't control that).

You discount the Daily Mail just because today's headline is "A mother's infidelity and the lie that left her son without a father"???

[bluejays]

My guess is it crashed in a remote mountain somewhere which is why debris was never found. Sadly unless those blackboxes are found, we'll never know what occurred.

[jschick88]

The Associated Press ‏@AP 1m
BREAKING: Australian PM: 2 objects in search for Malaysian jet may have been found.

[nik-]

haha, that's nice and vague.