You Know What Really Grinds My Gears....The Sequel!

[OutOfTheCube]

People over 25 still go to clubs?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If a person ever got the feeling that a bouncer / establishment was being racist at the door, barring entry or any other behaviour, why would said patron still want to go into the bar and spend money there, supporting said business?

If I was a black guy and I was getting the impression there was racism involved, I'd take my business to the non-racist establishments and wouldn't think twice about it. Not every place is like that, find a new one. Why would you want to give these idiots money anyway?

Know people inside?

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

People over 25 still go to clubs?

Being 24, this comment depresses me... but not every club is roadhouse or cowboys. Commonwealth, Marquee, West, Standard, these all seem to skew to a early to mid 20s crowd. Then theres places like Craft and the like...

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Sad but true....the white pants are probably a fake story/excuse just to keep certain people out.
I've heard from bouncer friends that it used to happen quite often. Probably still does.

Originally Posted by pylon

I am white, and have been turned away at night clubs in the past for hats, sneakers, not having a belt and ripped jeans. I didn't once think to blame it on the fact I am a jew.

Not every single slight is a racist thing. Sometimes there are rules that seem stupid and unfair, but they are still rules.

Originally Posted by strombad

And by that same logic, just because they don't let a black guy in, doesn't mean they're being racist.

Calgary is not unique in this situation, maybe it's a little worse here, but it's still fighting off that small town mentality. In my opinion, a lot of Calgary hasn't fully realised the diverse and expansive city it's become. You've still got some ignorant townfolk who express their ignorance in a variety of ways.

Sorry you have to deal with racism, that has to be awful, but try not to paint Calgary as some inherently racist city, it's not.

Originally Posted by Yakbutter

I'm white and I've been going to clubs and bars for years I have never been turned away, not once, ever. Obviously there is something about you that makes bouncers not want to let you in. Racism has nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by ken0042

The date on that video puts it as being 8 years ago.

I'm sure racism still exists in Calgary, and if you were to go looking for it you would find it. What I think people are saying is something I see as well- as a white person many times when I have to tell somebody who isn't white something negative; the race card gets pulled.

From knowing people in the industry, it most definitely is still quite common to discriminate based on race. I've even had a bouncer flat out tell me "We don't completely keep blacks and browns out, to avoid it looking like racism, but we are told to keep their numbers down to avoid problems. Specifically if they're in groups, we'll usually deny 1 or 2 of them and that'll make the whole group move on".

Pretty ****ty, but if you guys think it doesn't happen to this day, you're dreaming.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by flameswin

From knowing people in the industry, it most definitely is still quite common to discriminate based on race. I've even had a bouncer flat out tell me "We don't completely keep blacks and browns out, to avoid it looking like racism, but we are told to keep their numbers down to avoid problems. Specifically if they're in groups, we'll usually deny 1 or 2 of them and that'll make the whole group move on".

Pretty ****ty, but if you guys think it doesn't happen to this day, you're dreaming.

Not sure what your intention was, but every single post you quoted (save maybe for Yakbutters nonsense) admitted that racism is absolutely still a thing and that people still get turned away for the colour of their skin.

The point of all of those posts was that it's not always racism that keeps people out of clubs.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure we all agree with you.

[Dion]

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by strombad

Not sure what your intention was, but every single post you quoted (save maybe for Yakbutters nonsense) admitted that racism is absolutely still a thing and that people still get turned away for the colour of their skin.

The point of all of those posts was that it's not always racism that keeps people out of clubs.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure we all agree with you.

Haha, probably should have just made a comment instead of quoting 50 posts.

It seemed like the tone of the posts was that when people think the clubs are being racist, it's not actually racism, they just turn people away for lots of reasons and then minorities think it's racism. Which from my knowledge isn't the case. Minorities, and specifically minorities in groups are most definitely still turned away because of their skin colour, which is racism.

I'll pick out specific comments I was referring to in my response to make it a little more clear.

pylon

I didn't once think to blame it on the fact I am a jew.

Not every single slight is a racist thing

strombad

And by that same logic, just because they don't let a black guy in, doesn't mean they're being racist

yakbutter

I'm white and I've been going to clubs and bars for years I have never been turned away, not once, ever. Obviously there is something about you that makes bouncers not want to let you in. Racism has nothing to do with it.

ken002

What I think people are saying is something I see as well- as a white person many times when I have to tell somebody who isn't white something negative; the race card gets pulled

In fact, now that I've gone over them again, there was something in every single one of those posts I quoted (I only quoted JonDukes as reference as I agreed with him) that was relevant to the point I was making.

[strombad]

Well, that's not what I was saying at all.

To clarify:

People are turned away from clubs for many reasons. Not every reason is based on skin colour (even if a member of a minority is the one being turned away), but racism is absolutely a reason why people of a minority get turned away.

I'm simply saying not every individual of a minority is denied entry because of racism. I would never deny it happening, nor do I think anyone else here is. I think we all know that minorities can get denied entry to clubs in Calgary because of racist bouncers or club owners.

The problem with the way you're taking it is you're using everyone's statement as blanket statements. Instead of reading "Sometimes a club with deny someone for a reason other than race" you're reading "Whenever clubs deny someone it's not because of race," which isn't what anyone is saying.

There are racist clubs downtown, we good?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by strombad

Well, that's not what I was saying at all.

To clarify:

People are turned away from clubs for many reasons. Not every reason is based on skin colour (even if a member of a minority is the one being turned away), but racism is absolutely a reason why people of a minority get turned away.

I'm simply saying not every individual of a minority is denied entry because of racism. I would never deny it happening, nor do I think anyone else here is. I think we all know that minorities can get denied entry to clubs in Calgary because of racist bouncers or club owners.

The problem with the way you're taking it is you're using everyone's statement as blanket statements. Instead of reading "Sometimes a club with deny someone for a reason other than race" you're reading "Whenever clubs deny someone it's not because of race," which isn't what anyone is saying.

There are racist clubs downtown, we good?

Yep, same page.

[Violator]

Shopping at Superstore like i already didn't know this place will contribute to the downfall of society but today was no exception.Watched a lady shoveling a bag of wasabi pees into her mouth while droping half of it on the ground and gingerly walk away like nothing happened.

[burn_this_city]

I got kicked out of Ceili's for not having dress shoes on at 1pm on a Thursday. The only time these losers get to lord over anyone is at the bars.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by fotze

I've seen the racist thing at doors. Was with engineering asian pals at the palace (of all places), made the asian (nerds) wait for no reason (none was given). It was empty inside.

Then another engineering buddy (sikh) had his friends in from Vancouver, tried to get in to The Drink (I think that was the name). Would not let the turban guys in for made up reasons.

When you put the people with the lowest IQ's in the populous in charge of bar security, then not too surprising that racism is evident. If I were a minority, I would take not being let in to a dbag place as a courtesy. I would rather know that a bar owner was a child rapist, so I could choose to not give them any money.

Unfortunately, it's not just the meatheads at the door doing their ego thing, it's also directive from management in lot of cases, although they'd deny it to the death.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I got kicked out of Ceili's for not having dress shoes on at 1pm on a Thursday. The only time these losers get to lord over anyone is at the bars.

For a lot of those guys, working the club is their life. They're typically the types that wouldn't go to clubs or would get rejected if they didn't work there, so this lets them feel like they belong.

I know some of them and their whole life is talking about the last shift they worked and how they pissed people off and this guy got mad and they beat him up and that guy was rejected because they wanted to have fun and see if they could get him to fight, and they took this guy out back and beat him up more than should have.

Just a bunch of losers, but like you said, it's the one time in their life that those meatheads have any say or control over anything, so they turn it up to 11.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

People over 25 still go to clubs?

I am quite under 25, hence my frequency of attendance.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by fotze

This info makes your car spin out story make more sense now. The cops actually made jokes that you stole a car because you are black???

Exact opposite. The lady cop was sticking up for me when a few passers-by assumed I stole the car because I was black.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by fotze

Ahh. So random guys driving by said that?

Yeah they were kinda stuck behind the fire truck so she had time to yell at them.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I got kicked out of Ceili's for not having dress shoes on at 1pm on a Thursday. The only time these losers get to lord over anyone is at the bars.

1pm on a Thursday? Wow that's petty, typically with the lunch crowd they aren't too picky, heck I'm pretty sure I've worn Chuck Taylor's in there for lunch. But I've also been rejected at the door years ago with a buddy wearing sandals during the evening.

Which actually raises another gear grinder, dress codes at "pubs", it's nothing short of BS. If you're gonna use the name pub, you don't get to enforce a dress code, oh you're more of a "club" at night? Then take the damn word "pub" off the door/sign, cuz in a pub anything goes.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by jaydorn

1pm on a Thursday? Wow that's petty, typically with the lunch crowd they aren't too picky, heck I'm pretty sure I've worn chuck Taylor's in there for lunch. But I've also been rejected at the door years ago with a buddy wearing sandals during the evening.

Which actually raises another gear grinder, dress codes at "pubs", it's nothing short of BS. If you're gonna use the name pub, you don't get to enforce a dress code, oh you're more of a "club" at night? Then take the damn word "pub" off the door/sign, cuz in a pub anything goes.

Ya that's pretty ridiculous, if your going to advertise yourself as a "Public House" then allow the general public into your place of business. Having a dress code at a pub is the opposite of what you should expect.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Violator

Shopping at Superstore like i already didn't know this place will contribute to the downfall of society but today was no exception.Watched a lady shoveling a bag of wasabi pees into her mouth while droping half of it on the ground and gingerly walk away like nothing happened.

Shopping at Superstore is getting worse than Costco. At least Costco has room between the tills and the shelves. Today was a damn clusterfata of shopping carts and nobody knowing who was in what line or how the lines were even being formed. I don't even care how much cheaper Superstore is, I am just going to Co-op or Safeway and save myself the aggravation.

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by GGG

This Grinds my Gears. Why do we have to judge other parents in this situation for having a different risk tolerance than ourselves.

The question we need to ask is how many kids die or get kidnapped each year from being left in a car for less than 15 minutes in non-extreme weather? Then that risk needs to be compared with how many injuries are there from slip and falls in parking lots with kids, how many vehicle pedestrian collisions occur with kids, how many kids get kidnapped/lost in malls/stores. Once we have properly assessed the risk then we can pass judgement. All I know is that the risk of harm coming to the child in either situation is ridiculously low. And no doubt order of magnitudes safer than driving to Ikea in the first place.

My own personal policy is that if I can see the car then I will leave the kids in, if I cant then I bring them in. But I shouldn't judge people within reason if they take marginally more or less risk. Especially when we don't know which is safer.

This is not a shot at Hesla but I do tend to agree with the sentiment of GMG's post for the most part. The one kicker is that the toddler kid wasn't buckled in and could have got out.

If I'm at one of those 'Retail Power Centers,' I give my kids free reign in the loser-mobile (minivan) when trucking over to another store, I know the lack of seat belts is sacrilege in this day in age but I rationalize that the risk of walking the kids into the store is way higher than the vehicle transport between parking lots vs having to re-buckle them up between stores.

I know it's not a great comparable but it kind of reminds me of a section in the book Freakonomics where they show that a child is 100 times more likely to die in a home with a backyard pool than one with a gun. Human's often make mistakes when analyzing risk, when you add the parental emotional element it only further skews things (e.g. risk of death for driving vs. flying).

Without knowing the data/statistics I think child worship and the overprotective helicopter parent approach likely have a higher likelihood of a child ending up as either a programmable robot or an entitled little dipshoot.

[Table 5]

WRGMG is the two CP banner ads that have been on my computer non-stop for at least a week. I'm always greeted by some guy rubbing his disgusting rash in some Exzema ad, and then in the skyscraper ad, I get some spinning tampon ads for Kotex.

Perhaps I wouldn't mind so much if I had eczema and/or a vagina, but move it along already.