Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[MrMastodonFarm]

Draisatl finishing strong in the rankings like Barkov last year.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I'm probably too center obsessed lately but having Monahan - Bennett/Reinhart/Draisatl - Backlund down the middle would be a dream.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'm probably too center obsessed lately but having Monahan - Bennett/Reinhart/Draisatl - Backlund down the middle would be a dream.

Starting to lean that way too. would be unreal.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'm probably too center obsessed lately but having Monahan - Bennett/Reinhart/Draisatl - Backlund down the middle would be a dream.

Welcome.

Except I'm leaning harder to the Sammy/Monahan combo. The more I hear and see of Bennett though, the more I like him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by nik-

Welcome.

Except I'm leaning harder to the Sammy/Monahan combo. The more I hear and see of Bennett though, the more I like him.

But the more I hear about him, the more I think he will be out of our range.

I will be surprised if we draft higher than 5 this year.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

But the more I hear about him, the more I think he will be out of our range.

I will be surprised if we draft higher than 5 this year.

Don't get me started!

[The Fonz]

2 - Edmonton - 54pts - 16GR
3 - Florida - 55pts - 17GR
4 - New York - 59pts - 15GR
5 - Calgary - 59pts - 16GR
6 - Carolina - 65pts - 17GR
7 - Nashville - 66pts - 16GR


Today's relevant games:
BUF @ CAR
FLA @ TB
EDM @ STL

I'm thinking we go 1/3 on the OOT tonight, with Carolina winning.

[Bingo]

The equation for me is changing as the season goes on. Watching the Edmonton scenario, the Vancouver scenario, when compared to the Flames scenario I think it comes down to the following.

the given
Value of 4/5 pick < Value of Picks 1-3

the wild card of impact on culture/foundation
Value of strong finish > Value of tanking

Starting to think ...
(Value of strong finish > Value of tanking) > (Value of 4/5 pick < Value of Picks 1-3)

or Draisatl and Flames finish with a positive vibe may be more important than say Reinhart and winning only one of their last 9

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Feb 28:

Reinhart
Ekblad
Bennett

Virtanen
Dal Colle
Draisaitl
Fleury
Ritchie
Perlini

Changed again.

Reinhart
Bennett
Ekblad
Draisaitl

Dal Colle
McCann
Virtanen
Perlini

[Freeway]

For the curious, a look at how bloody difficult it'll be for anyone to move in the bottom 5 of the standings. http://flamesnation.ca/2014/3/13/rac...ne-month-to-go

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The equation for me is changing as the season goes on. Watching the Edmonton scenario, the Vancouver scenario, when compared to the Flames scenario I think it comes down to the following.

the given
Value of 4/5 pick < Value of Picks 1-3

the wild card of impact on culture/foundation
Value of strong finish > Value of tanking

Starting to think ...
(Value of strong finish > Value of tanking) > (Value of 4/5 pick < Value of Picks 1-3)

or Draisatl and Flames finish with a positive vibe may be more important than say Reinhart and winning only one of their last 9

I would say this is altered by how losses happen, not just losses. If the Flames play a lot of 1 goal games like they have all year, losses still aren't fun, but they're not drubbings which would do more to add to a losing culture imo.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The equation for me is changing as the season goes on. Watching the Edmonton scenario, the Vancouver scenario, when compared to the Flames scenario I think it comes down to the following.

the given
Value of 4/5 pick < Value of Picks 1-3

the wild card of impact on culture/foundation
Value of strong finish > Value of tanking

Starting to think ...
(Value of strong finish > Value of tanking) > (Value of 4/5 pick < Value of Picks 1-3)

or Draisatl and Flames finish with a positive vibe may be more important than say Reinhart and winning only one of their last 9

I totally agree except one small caveat. I don't think specifically W/L matter as much as play. Play the right way and the Ws likely come, but the W isn't the goal. If we keep teams below 30 shots, outshoot more than we get outshot, have decent goaltending and have a strong PK, that would still keep that vibe going. Add in some strong rookie performances and even a 1-8 finish would feel right

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Draisatl and Flames finish with a positive vibe may be more important than say Reinhart and winning only one of their last 9

Trying to tell myself that but I honestly don't believe the sour taste from finishing bottom 3 has an effect on the culture. It didn't negatively effect Chicago, Pittsburgh, Anaheim, or LA.

Summer comes, the players forget the past, and it's a brand new year.

[sureLoss]

Latest Flames chances (includes lottery odds)

1st overall 10%
2nd overall 2%
3rd overall 10%
4th overall 23%
5th overall 33%
6th overall 16%
7th overall 5%
8th overall 1%
9th overall 1%
10th overall 0%

down to a 21% chance for a top 3 pick and a 77% chance for a top 5 pick

[moon]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Starting to think ...
(Value of strong finish > Value of tanking) > (Value of 4/5 pick < Value of Picks 1-3)

or Draisatl and Flames finish with a positive vibe may be more important than say Reinhart and winning only one of their last 9

As much as I love Monahan I have a hard time believing that the Flames are better off with their supposed strong finish and Monahan over the Avs clear tank and MacKinnon.

The talk of hard work and "winning culture" is nice and all but elite level talent is what wins in the NHL and all the winning culture does nothing to beat better teams.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Latest Flames chances (includes lottery odds)

1st overall 10%
2nd overall 2%
3rd overall 10%
4th overall 23%
5th overall 33%
6th overall 16%
7th overall 5%
8th overall 1%
9th overall 1%
10th overall 0%

down to a 21% chance for a top 3 pick and a 77% chance for a top 5 pick

Do you have the split of how much the 6th overall is from a team below winning the lottery and actually finishing 6th?

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Trying to tell myself that but I honestly don't believe the sour taste from finishing bottom 3 has an effect on the culture. It didn't negatively effect Chicago, Pittsburgh, Anaheim, or LA.

Summer comes, the players forget the past, and it's a brand new year.

Prime example in Colorado. Gets MacKinnon, next season challenging for the presidents trophy.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by moon

As much as I love Monahan I have a hard time believing that the Flames are better off with their supposed strong finish and Monahan over the Avs clear tank and MacKinnon.

The talk of hard work and "winning culture" is nice and all but elite level talent is what wins in the NHL and all the winning culture does nothing to beat better teams.

What do you propose they do? The coach/players aren't going to lose/tank on purpose. They are dressing a team that is virtually 40% rookies.

[moon]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

What do you propose they do? The coach/players aren't going to lose/tank on purpose. They are dressing a team that is virtually 40% rookies.

Who said they have to do anything?

I am saying I would prefer the 1st overall pick even if it means loses over finishing "strong" and getting the 5th pick.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by moon

As much as I love Monahan I have a hard time believing that the Flames are better off with their supposed strong finish and Monahan over the Avs clear tank and MacKinnon.

The talk of hard work and "winning culture" is nice and all but elite level talent is what wins in the NHL and all the winning culture does nothing to beat better teams.

Well then if this is the case why don't we just settle the Stanley Cup using some sort of math formula to determine elite level talent.

I'm sorry you are right moon elite level talent does help with wins in the NHL, but the game has so many more intangibles such as hard work and winning culture attached to it.