[News] Burke trade deadline presser 3:25pm MT

[Itse]

Originally Posted by saillias

So then the problem was that he simply ran out of time. Oh boy, if that was Feaster he would be getting raked through the coals on this board and in the media. Just sayin

Sheesh, all this Feaster talk is getting tiresome.

Nobody cares about your speculation on what some hypothetical people on CP might have theoretically said if the GM that's already gone would still be here and everything else would be the same, which it probably wouldn't since it's likely that a different GM would have prioritized his moves differently and we would be sitting on different set of results right now, and even if we did start with this stupid guessing game, your speculation would still likely be wrong.

Phew. Can you tell this stuff is starting to get really annoying? (To be fair it's not just you, it's been the theme for the whole f***ing day.)

Seriously, I have a real tough time reading the threads this season, it's always the same, over and over and over and over and over again, the signal to noise ratio is getting unbearable.

If people could just stick to the topics, that would be great now...

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Unless we are willing to eat 50% of Cammy's hit, which was rumored.

Difference between $3 million of Cammy vs $2.5 million of Stempniak is minor at the deadline.

Cammalleri is at $6M, Stempniak is a $2.5M

You might think its minor at the deadline, but look around at the other deals - Edmonton had to eat a portion of Hemsky's salary, CLB had to eat a portion of Gaborik's salary.

Again, is a 5th round pick really worth a million bucks?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not sure about that. You offer Pittsburgh Cammy instead of Stempniak for a 3rd and they take Cammy for sure.

It is mostly about perception.

Berra for a second rounder...great, Stempniak for a 3rd...seems fair.

Cammy for a 3rd when you were originally asking for a 1st + mid-prospect...makes you look weak and like you caved.

I am guessing that had Burke been offered a first he would have taken it instantly, an offer of a 2nd + a prospect probably gets it done, but settling for just a 2nd makes you look weak in future negotiations so he didn't make the deal.

Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Unless we are willing to eat 50% of Cammy's hit, which was rumored.

Difference between $3 million of Cammy vs $2.5 million of Stempniak is minor at the deadline.

but 3 million dollar cammalleri costs another asset compared to 6 million dollar cammalleri, 2.5 million dollar stempniak is 2.5 million dollar stempniak.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Itse

Sheesh, all this Feaster talk is getting tiresome.

Nobody cares about your speculation on what some hypothetical people on CP might have theoretically said if the GM that's already gone would still be here and everything else would be the same, which it probably wouldn't since it's likely that a different GM would have prioritized his moves differently and we would be sitting on different set of results right now, and even if we did start with this stupid guessing game, your speculation would still likely be wrong.

Phew. Can you tell this stuff is starting to get really annoying? (To be fair it's not just you, it's been the theme for the whole f***ing day.)

Seriously, I have a real tough time reading the threads this season, it's always the same, over and over and over and over and over again, the signal to noise ratio is getting unbearable.

If people could just stick to the topics, that would be great now...

Can`t say I`m too concerned with what rustles your jimmies or not, if the rest of the CP has been saying the same thing then oh well.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by saillias

Can`t say I`m too concerned with what rustles your jimmies or not, if the rest of the CP has been saying the same thing then oh well.

I'm a little tired of the crying over Feaster as well...... dude is gone, just move on.

[handgroen]

well i suppose now that i'm over the initial disappointment there are some kind of hidden positives from this deadline.
-backlund was not traded
-beartschi was not traded

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Again, is a 5th round pick really worth a million bucks?

The money is a sunk cost (we're paying Cammy anyways)... it's actually us that are getting the million bucks (the portion of his salary that we wouldn't have to pay) if we were to do that.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Parallex

The money is a sunk cost (we're paying Cammy anyways)... it's actually us that are getting the million bucks (the portion of his salary that we wouldn't have to pay) if we were to do that.

True..... fair enough.

Again, I said this before...... honestly I think there was a deal in place with Anahaim. Thats my own speculation. If you want to go by what Burke said, he would rather pass on a mid-round pick then get bullied into a crappy deal and set a reputation for being easy to trade with.

[getbak]

I wonder if the 3-way deal he was working on that would have taken back a bad contract was with Minnesota, looking to get Vanek (acquiring Heatley in the process)?

They were able to fit Moulson under the cap, but could not fit Vanek without moving something out.

[Scoutski]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The one concern I have is that Burke let the other teams dictate the market for his players.

Instead of waiting for Cammy to be a consolation prize and hopefully start a bidding war he should have tried to play the inflated market by using the buffer space to sell his asset.

When Buffalo/NewYork were asking for the moon (1st, top prospect, roster player) he should have tried to force the issue with teams interested and take advantage of what the market was at the time.

He approaches a team yesterday and says we will do Cammy for a first straight up and maybe something might get done since they are scared by the high prices for Vanek/Moulson and don't want to be left out.

Columbus did that this morning by getting a second, third, and Frattin for Gaborik. Instead of waiting for the dominoes to fall they undercut the perceived market at the time and still got fair value back for Gaborik (almost just as good of value as Moulson/Vanek got)

Although it's a good approach, it kind of assumes that he would be aware that the market would drop the way it did, which it sounds like he didn't know it was coming.

It sounds like the teams who were interested were also interested in those other two and they were probably higher priorities, taking what he can get at that point doesn't seem like it'd produce the best result (even though it very well may have).

Hindsight is 20/20 here.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Unless we are willing to eat 50% of Cammy's hit, which was rumored.

Difference between $3 million of Cammy vs $2.5 million of Stempniak is minor at the deadline.

Why are you comparing half of Cammy salary v the whole salary for Stempniak? I understand your point but try to make factual comparisons ($3M v $1.25M).

[Bar-Down]

Does anyone know what the conditions are on the 4th round conditional pick we got from the Leafs for Colborne?


Also, Greg Nemisz almost a point/game in the AHL since his trade to Carolina for Westgarth...

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by getbak

I wonder if the 3-way deal he was working on that would have taken back a bad contract was with Minnesota, looking to get Vanek (acquiring Heatley in the process)?

They were able to fit Moulson under the cap, but could not fit Vanek without moving something out.

I am also curious about the failed three way trade. From the sounds of it the flames portion was done, Burke just mentioned the other team didn't get it into the NHL in time.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Does anyone know what the conditions are on the 4th round conditional pick we got from the Leafs for Colborne?


Also, Greg Nemisz almost a point/game in the AHL since his trade to Carolina for Westgarth...

4th turns into a 3rd if Colborne scores 10 goals or 35 points in the 2013-14 regular season and Calgary qualifies for the 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs. Very very long shot.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Does anyone know what the conditions are on the 4th round conditional pick we got from the Leafs for Colborne?

The Maple Leafs will receive a fourth-round pick from the Flames; however, that pick will become a third-rounder if Colborne scores 10 goals or 35 points in the 2013-14 regular season and Calgary qualifies for the 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Does anyone know what the conditions are on the 4th round conditional pick we got from the Leafs for Colborne?


Also, Greg Nemisz almost a point/game in the AHL since his trade to Carolina for Westgarth...

I think the condition on the trade was if the flames get into the playoffs or Joe hits acheivements

Answered above..

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Does anyone know what the conditions are on the 4th round conditional pick we got from the Leafs for Colborne?

The 4th goes to the Leafs, not the other way around. The condition is if the Flames make the playoffs and Colborne reaches some goal/point total, it will become a 3rd.

So, it will be a 4th.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Does anyone know what the conditions are on the 4th round conditional pick we got from the Leafs for Colborne?


Also, Greg Nemisz almost a point/game in the AHL since his trade to Carolina for Westgarth...

10 goals and 35 points, AND we make the playoffs...I think it's safe...

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Why are you comparing half of Cammy salary v the whole salary for Stempniak? I understand your point but try to make factual comparisons ($3M v $1.25M).

Because we were going to eat 50% of Cammy's salary, but not of Stempniak.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Does anyone know what the conditions are on the 4th round conditional pick we got from the Leafs for Colborne?


Also, Greg Nemisz almost a point/game in the AHL since his trade to Carolina for Westgarth...

If he scores 10G and 35PTS the 4th becomes a 3rd. I believe I saw those conditions mentioned somewhere...and yeah, it's 4th/3rd going to Toronto, not the other way around