Snowmobiler shoots Moose with a glock

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I would assume that bear mace would of done a pretty good job at keeping the moose away.

There is not a chance I would expect bear spray to be effective on a moose. The fact that it was a small moose and the dude was standing on a sled would be the only way it could have possibly worked.

In general a moose is too tall and has a much longer reach than a bear. If it attacked one would be extremely lucky to get close enough to use bear spray. Also, who carries bear spray in winter?

Regardless - the guy in this video is a complete moron for two reasons. One, this was a completely avoidable situation. Two, who films this type of thing and then posts it? Right up there with the guy breaking out of the whistler gondola...

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by DatSOOKin

With so many animals we are taught not to back down or else we look like prey; maybe this guy grouped the moose into that predator category subconsciously due to its sheer size. Obviously a moose isn't a predator and doesn't have those same instincts, but some people with limited experience in the outdoors may revert to the simplistic outdoor knowledge most of us are taught.

If the guy is so inexperienced (or stupid) that he consciously or subconsciously believes that a moose might eat him, he should stay in his car.

Most of us were never taught this kind of "simplistic outdoor knowledge". If this guy was taught that, he shouldn't (and neither should the person who taught him) be allowed to leave the city limits, let alone own a firearm.

[doctajones428]

After reading the thread first, THEN watching the video, it really doesn't look that bad to me.

He clearly thought he would scare it off with the snowmobile, it didn't work so he made more noise, which pissed it off, then attacked him. He pulled out the gun as a "just in case", cocked it, which pissed it off again. When he said "Get!" and fired it looked like a warning shot, which didn't work and... he thought he was going to die.

If I didn't know how to properly deal with animals (like him), I probably would of done the same, though I would of went back and finished it.

Moose are scary as ####

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

If the guy is so inexperienced (or stupid) that he consciously or subconsciously believes that a moose might eat him, he should stay in his car.

Most of us were never taught this kind of "simplistic outdoor knowledge". If this guy was taught that, he shouldn't (and neither should the person who taught him) be allowed to leave the city limits, let alone own a firearm.

What if he knew the moose was literally one kick away from killing him?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

What if he knew the moose was literally one kick away from killing him?

Well yeah, if it came to that, I'd shoot the moose too. I wouldn't antagonize a thousand pound wild animal with horns though. Or really any animal, for that matter.

The guy was in the wrong, the moose was not. If the moose gave him one nice hoof to the mind, we'd have a Darwin Award candidate to put in that other thread, and we all love those!

[PIMking]

we don't have those big #######s down here, I wouldn't have a clue on what to do if I saw one in person other than run the other way FAST

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by PIMking

we don't have those big #######s down here, I wouldn't have a clue on what to do if I saw one in person other than run the other way FAST

Well you're already steps ahead of the dildo in the video, who seemed to be impatient that the Moose was on the trail and didn't wait for it to move on.

The guy is totally in the wrong, he should he charged with whatever poaching chargers they can stick to him. Compared to most Canadians I probably have limited skills in the bush but let the damn Moose finish on the trail, wait then move on. Don't charge it with your Snowmobile, don't haul out your hand gun hand gun?!?!) when it's running away.

This was a total ignorance of a situation that caused dumb dumb to act in fear. Even after he put several caps in that Moose bottom he hauled it on the trail and out of "danger".

Disgusting situation all the way through that the dude was totally at fault for.

[PIMking]

I started laughing so loud when I read that first sentence, I woke up the fiance

[DatSOOKin]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

If the guy is so inexperienced (or stupid) that he consciously or subconsciously believes that a moose might eat him, he should stay in his car.

Most of us were never taught this kind of "simplistic outdoor knowledge". If this guy was taught that, he shouldn't (and neither should the person who taught him) be allowed to leave the city limits, let alone own a firearm.

One doesn't need to think an animal will eat him to be fearful of it... if that's how you're trying to twist my words.
Were you were taught growing up how to act around every single type of wild animal in this type of situation? I highly doubt it, and if you were you are very fortunate.
Many, many people don't understand how to act around a moose- I think most people would group them with deer where driving a snowmobile at them would likely spook them off. And actually, most of the time the moose probably would be spooked off by the vehicle as my outdoor enthusiast brother tells me.
If I were in his shoes I would of just waited till the moose cleared instead of trying to scare it off. That was a mistake, but I don't think he should be charged for it - that just opens up the door for hikers to be charged for poaching when they have to kill a bear as its mauling them.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by DatSOOKin

One doesn't need to think an animal will eat him to be fearful of it... if that's how you're trying to twist my words.
Were you were taught growing up how to act around every single type of wild animal in this type of situation? I highly doubt it, and if you were you are very fortunate.
Many, many people don't understand how to act around a moose- I think most people would group them with deer where driving a snowmobile at them would likely spook them off. And actually, most of the time the moose probably would be spooked off by the vehicle as my outdoor enthusiast brother tells me.
If I were in his shoes I would of just waited till the moose cleared instead of trying to scare it off. That was a mistake, but I don't think he should be charged for it - that just opens up the door for hikers to be charged for poaching when they have to kill a bear as its mauling them.

You brought up the "prey" idea. Prey gets eaten. That's the whole idea. If that was somewhere in this guy's mind, as you suggested...

And no, I was not taught how to act around every wild animal. Nobody had to teach me to stay away from a wild animal that outweighs me by 800 pounds. Some things just come naturally.

ANYWAY, like you said, he made a mistake, and due to that mistake, he had to do something which (I would hope) is illegal, wherever the hell he is. Why not charge him with whatever is applicable? He put himself in that position.

Believe me, I wish the "I did something dumb, and then I had to do something dumber to try to get out of it" line of defence actually worked, but it doesn't.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by DatSOOKin

Many, many people don't understand how to act around a moose- I think most people would group them with deer....

If I were in his shoes I would of just waited till the moose cleared instead of trying to scare it off. That was a mistake, but I don't think he should be charged for it - that just opens up the door for hikers to be charged for poaching when they have to kill a bear as its mauling them.

Well first off, I've never met anyone who would group a moose in with a deer. In terms of size and temperament, they're closer to Elk. You don't challenge an elk - or a moose. That was drilled into our heads since we were little kids (and I've yet to meet another adult my age that wasn't taught that same) - that wild animals are just that - wild.

So you give them the right of way, because you're on their turf, and they have no qualms about initiating a turf war, so it's best to give them a wide berth and/or go the other direction if possible. Hell, even a deer will kick the crap out of you and they can inflict some crazy ass damage. You don't walk up to a deer thinking it's Bambi and he and his little pal Thumper would just love an ear scritch and to sing a lovely little song for you about being twitterpated.

Heck, even domesticated animals will give you a pounding if they feel like it - we were taught to give them some respect too, and to take care around them.

What are you going to kill a bear with, if you're out for a hike? I doubt many people in this neck of the woods even carry a gun when out for a hike. We never have - typically, we're out in the national parks when we hike so you're not allowed to even have a gun with you there, AFAIK, unless you're Park staff and even that I'm not sure about - I'm guessing it depends on the nature of your employment with them. And why on earth would any hiker be charged with poaching if they survive a bear mauling? I've never even heard of such a thing - do you have any proof that it's even possible? LOL, that doesn't even make sense. What door is open there?

[EVERLAST]

Only in America where you have the right to bear arms or arm bears??

Robin Williams

Poor Moose ....

[Northendzone]

watching this video made me sad, why does teh snomobiler challenge the moose? why was he in a rush to continue blazing through nature. turn off your machine and enjoy the view for a few minutes while the moose moves on.

Snomobiler likely raced back to his jacked up truck and then polished his truck nutz when he got home......

[Bootsy]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

After reading the thread first, THEN watching the video, it really doesn't look that bad to me.

He clearly thought he would scare it off with the snowmobile, it didn't work so he made more noise, which pissed it off, then attacked him. He pulled out the gun as a "just in case", cocked it, which pissed it off again. When he said "Get!" and fired it looked like a warning shot, which didn't work and... he thought he was going to die.

If I didn't know how to properly deal with animals (like him), I probably would of done the same, though I would of went back and finished it.

Moose are scary as ####

I agree. Obviously the guy was ignorant in how to deal with wildlife , he could and should of have handled it differently so he wasn't forced to shoot the moose but after reading the posts here and then watching it , I thought he commited the most heinous crime of the decade.

[Sliver]

I haven't seen the video, so this isn't a comment about this specific situation, but I know I would be a lot more comfortable in the woods if I had a gun. I've been on a couple of camping trips where we hiked into the middle of nowhere and I actually thought we were being kind of ######ed to not have firearms with us. If an animal came at me (cougar, bear, moose, whatever) I'd prefer to shoot it than to take a chance on it hurting me.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I've been on a couple of camping trips where we hiked into the middle of nowhere and I actually thought we were being kind of ######ed to not have firearms with us. If an animal came at me (cougar, bear, moose, whatever) I'd prefer to shoot it than to take a chance on it hurting me.

I'm torn on this one. I understand the logic behind it, but when you've got bear-about-to-tear-my-limbs-off adrenaline coursing through your veins, do you honestly think you'll be a good enough shot to put it down? Or is the more likely scenario that you miss entirely, or graze it enough to piss it off more. I can hit a target at a 100 yards no problem, but throw a set of antlers on it and my aim is all over the place. It would be 10-fold if it were something trying to attack me.

Secondly, you need some pretty good stopping power to put down a full grown bear. So now you're either hiking with a 303/30-06 strapped to your back, or jumping into concealed 45 territory.

Not saying I wouldn't feel better in the backwoods with a gun, I just don't know if it's really the answer it's made out to be.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

I'm torn on this one. I understand the logic behind it, but when you've got bear-about-to-tear-my-limbs-off adrenaline coursing through your veins, do you honestly think you'll be a good enough shot to put it down? Or is the more likely scenario that you miss entirely, or graze it enough to piss it off more. I can hit a target at a 100 yards no problem, but throw a set of antlers on it and my aim is all over the place. It would be 10-fold if it were something trying to attack me.

Secondly, you need some pretty good stopping power to put down a full grown bear. So now you're either hiking with a 303/30-06 strapped to your back, or jumping into concealed 45 territory.

Not saying I wouldn't feel better in the backwoods with a gun, I just don't know if it's really the answer it's made out to be.

Yeah, I agree that it's not practical. Plus, I wouldn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry in the backcountry to have a gun; just me.

I've only ever shot a gun a few times in my life, but I would definitely rather have something on me than nothing if an animal attacked. Could I hit it? In my imagination it seems like it would be super easy, but I know you have more experience so if you're saying it would be hard to do I'm sure you're right.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

I'm torn on this one. I understand the logic behind it, but when you've got bear-about-to-tear-my-limbs-off adrenaline coursing through your veins, do you honestly think you'll be a good enough shot to put it down? Or is the more likely scenario that you miss entirely, or graze it enough to piss it off more. I can hit a target at a 100 yards no problem, but throw a set of antlers on it and my aim is all over the place. It would be 10-fold if it were something trying to attack me.

Secondly, you need some pretty good stopping power to put down a full grown bear. So now you're either hiking with a 303/30-06 strapped to your back, or jumping into concealed 45 territory.

Not saying I wouldn't feel better in the backwoods with a gun, I just don't know if it's really the answer it's made out to be.

Grew up in and lived Northern BC and the Yukon until a few years ago and found that the best defence against bears is a good dog. I also carried a shotgun though just in case...

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, I agree that it's not practical. Plus, I wouldn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry in the backcountry to have a gun; just me.

I've only ever shot a gun a few times in my life, but I would definitely rather have something on me than nothing if an animal attacked. Could I hit it? In my imagination it seems like it would be super easy, but I know you have more experience so if you're saying it would be hard to do I'm sure you're right.

There is no way that in a stressful situation you would be able to hit a charging animal, at a significant enough distance to stop it reaching you.


People have no clue what it is like trying to work/aim a weapon in a stressful situation. No Clue.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

There is no way that in a stressful situation you would be able to hit a charging animal, at a significant enough distance to stop it reaching you.


People have no clue what it is like trying to work/aim a weapon in a stressful situation. No Clue.

I don't doubt it. But if I had a bear on top of me or doing that thing where it stands up on its back legs, I bet I could pump a couple of slugs into him pretty quick.