People make mistakes, so I didn't have a problem with the shooting. I have a problem with leaving a clearly suffering animal there to die. Absolutely gutless.
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There's no way this is in Canada. I can't think there is someone that stupid running around the backwoods with a glock in their shirt who is willing to discharge it illegally into a Moose, video tape it, and then put it on the internet.
Being respectful in nature is what it is about. Not shoot my way through the trail because there is an animal in the way.
This will shortly pass the Ukraine thread, you know...where actual loss of human life is being discussed
Just so I understand this correctly, we can't/shouldn't discuss anything else happening around us, unless we make sure that this thread or others of a similar nature don't outpace the Ukrainian thread, because bad stuff is happening in the Ukraine?
I really doubt that the moose would die from that glock.
When processing deer and horses, they fire a rifle round point-blank into its skull. Cows (sometime pigs) are done with captive bolt (kind of like a pretty intense pistol). I doubt those shots would be able to penetrate bone or vital organs.
This dude has a pretty weak shot (being on a sled) and shot with a pistol, so I really doubt he did anything but perhaps fatally injure the animal.
The moose won't die directly from the gun shots. It could die from blood loss or for being easy prey. Either way, he caused extensive sufferring to that moose and is a dick.
I guess i've been in the US too long, but watching that. I was scared for the guy when it charged at him.
What does this mean?
I was scared for the guy too, but more in the sense of "what is this moron doing? It's a moose ferchrissakes, if he doesn't stop harassing it, he's going to be in trouble".
Then he didn't stop harassing it, got essentially a "warning shot" from the noble beast, ignored that, and kept going, whimpering and whooping all the while, like a true woodsman.
By the end of the video I was wishing that dumb son of a bitch had been trampled to death. The outcome for the moose was awful, but I'm also concerned for the safety of the other human beings who will be within shooting distance of this nimrod in the future.
Here is a couple screen shots on military Arms facebook page where the site admin said that he was shooting in "self defense" It's obvious that he wasn't and many others stated that this was not right.
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"The guy brought the state troopers back and the meat was given to the needy"
Nice try
Yeah someone asked for a link and he has yet to reply
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I am definitely in the minority here- and I will most likely get trampled for this- but other than the guy probably being an inexperienced outdoors man I don't see how this is such an outrage. I'm not going to pretend like I am an expert in the outdoors or anything of the sort, but I did go moose hunting with family last winter and witnessed first hand how insanely big and powerful these animals are.
I agree he was an idiot for approaching the moose in the first place instead of waiting it out, but I think that is likely due to inexperience. With so many animals we are taught not to back down or else we look like prey; maybe this guy grouped the moose into that predator category subconsciously due to its sheer size. Obviously a moose isn't a predator and doesn't have those same instincts, but some people with limited experience in the outdoors may revert to the simplistic outdoor knowledge most of us are taught.
To me, it looks like following the initial charge/kicking (which I'm very surprised didn't knock him over, one of those kicks to the right spot of the head without a helmet could easily kill) the moose is starting to leave until the guy cocks his gun. The moment the moose heard that sound, its stance turned aggressive again - and that clicking sound is very similar to what moose make when they are in the rut and smack their antlers against branches as a challenge (I don't know if this is relate-able as it's a different time of year but just a potential reason the moose turned back).
The man started shooting the moment it started to turn to charge again, which I don't blame him for - it is extremely surprising to me how quickly the moose went down considering it was a handgun. They are known to be extremely tough SOB's. My brother that I was moose hunting with placed his shot, out of a 7mm rifle, perfectly through the heart and lungs, and the moose was still able to run 150-200 yards before collapsing. If this moose reached the rider a second time his life could have ended with one swift kick.
*Edit - It also appears to me that the first shot it placed above the moose as a warning shot - hard to tell with the camera angle but I could be wrong.
And as to him racing past after, he may of thought the moose was only stunned for a moment and would get back up and be even more pissed off. I would hope he went back shortly after and made sure it was put down properly and didn't suffer longer (which he may of done and just wasn't shown in the video).
As for the meat 'going to waste,' this is the wild - meat does not go to waste here. There are plenty of animals that would take advantage of the opportunity for an easy feast like wolves, cougars, wolverines, coyotes, etc.
I definitely don't get the sense that the rider was just doing this whole thing for the camera. Maybe that's just me though.
The suffering part bothers me I guess but honestly, I really don't have a problem with what happened. Unfortunate situation for sure but I probably would have done the same thing (except I don't carry a gun). I'm mostly surprised the handgun took down a moose so easily.
I would assume that bear mace would of done a pretty good job at keeping the moose away.
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