[QUOTE=Maritime Q-Scout;4627964]
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1) You assume any time wasted by a server affects you directly. Just because a server does something that, as you put it but I disagree, "wastes" time; that does not mean your service is affected.
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It is if I want something else during that time, but my server isn't there. Also, it is affected once they come to the table deciding for me something. THAT IRRITATES ME just the "decision making" that is not their right to do. THAT affects me, even if I want the refill, it makes me hate them for doing that to me. It gets me pissed that they decided something for me that wasn't their decision.
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In the refill example you ignore the fact that prep work done while the server is letting you eat in peace doesn't cause you any lost time.
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Let's say I didn't want a refill or ANYTHING for that matter and when the server comes I decline it, while that is true if I didn't want ANYTHING, it would have to be that I didn't want ANYTHING, NOT A DARN THING at the time for that to be true, but even though, I'd still be PISSED that they are making decisions for me without my consent since it's *MY TIP MONEY*, understand? My tip money controls the service. If they want that decision making, they need to pay me a tip. Got it?
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You counter this argument by saying the restaurant loses productivity.
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By doing it your way, the restaurant loses money and loses time for other customers when I want someone else rather than the refill you got for me for nothing.
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However, how others are affected shouldn't determine your tip.
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It doesn't.
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2) You seem to think that a tip creates a contractual relationship between the customer and server. The server is never employed by the customer. The server is employed by the restaurant. Their actions are based on company policy. They are not subject to your every whim.
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That's where you are 100% WRONG! We are paying most of the wages like 90% of them, so YES they are there for my every little whim since *I* am paying the tip. If the owner wants control, that owner needs to make it forbidden to accept tips and pay his workers at least min. wage.
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The server is never employed by the customer.
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When we are *PAYING* a tip, YES they are "OUR EMPLOYEE" for that time period they are doing service for us. That's why we are paying a tip. Why pay the employee if they aren't doing a job for us, huh?
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They are not subject to your every whim.
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Then WHY are we tipping then? So they can have control? If so, then WHY tip then?
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A tip is a gratuity. It's a thank you.
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Yes, it is that, but it's also payment for doing a good job and giving what the customer wants for their money.
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It isn't an obligation, it isn't a right.
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In most cases, you are right, but there is automatic gratuity when you are in a large party at some restaurants and if you choose to use a coupon that requires that.
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It doesn't buy you a slave or a person.
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It buys you a WORKER TO WORK LIKE A SLAVE FOR THAT TIME THEY ARE SERVING YOU.
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It doesn't mean that you can dictate how someone else's employees act in their business
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It does when *I* am **PAYING THEIR EMPLOYEES WHAT THE OWNER SHOULD BE PAYING THEM. IT SURE THE HELL DOES!
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You cannot expect a server in Rimouski to serve you in English because you'll pay them 15% on a $10 order. Why? Because you're in the heart of Québec, you went to a francophone area looking for service.
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Never been out the USA before, so I am not sure what you are talking about?
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It's also irrational to preach how servers in Calgary should be serving people when it's not your tip money that they are after.
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Then why work then if they don't want money? That would be volunteer work then.
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It's ours (well most other posters) by arguing with me you're also saying how servers should be treating me for my tip money in Nova Scotia.
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As I said before, no clue about other countries.
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A restaurant is well within their rights to charge you for a coke and a ginger ale.
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No they are not. If both have free refills, then it would be OVERCHARGING ME. You are wrong. Legally you are wrong.
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To you they are both fountain drinks, but they are different products.
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Still fountain drinks though and it's not different prices. They both have free refills. Why no place has made me pay for my switching free refillable drinks, huh?
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Some places will allow you to interchange, some won't. Because some won't, you can't expect it everywhere.
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You should expect it everywhere, because it's illegal. If I get a coke, then I get a sprite, a soft drink is a soft drink. If they didn't have free refills, it would be a completely different story, but they do for both drink and both drinks are the SAME PRICE. It all comes from the same thing a SYRUP BAG with CO2 and water mixed with it. It's just different flavors, that's the only difference with the soft drinks are.
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I argue that splitting the tips would be fair, and follow the same procedures that tip splitting follows when you tip the server.
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No, when I tip my server, I tip my server. I am not tipping the other people. My server is tipping those other people.
What would be truly fair is if they had a tip line for the other server and the original server. Cash when the food would be brought by a different server would be given if the customer didn't want to put the tip on a credit card.
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This will be my last post on the topic.
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I bet it won't.
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Not because you are right Springs1,
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I am right. You don't understand what the definition of a refill is. It doesn't have to be the same product to be a refill.
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but because you have trouble with reading comprehension
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YOU sure do. A refill just means to fill again. It doesn't mean the substance has to be the same exact thing to fill again in the container.
You have trouble with understand *WHO* is *PAYING* WHO that the person is paying is the person in charge of *ALL* the DECISION MAKING in the service that is being paid for by the customer.
You sound lazy.
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comprise the safety of the wait staff (they should be running to save your 6 seconds).
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What does "safety" have to do with being *CONSIDERATE* and not acting like customers are robots, huh? Simply asking a question has NOTHING to do with safety. If anything, I would be saving my server from going to get drinks they didn't have to, so that's more protecting them than you would.
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Lastly, you are unwilling to listen to counter arguments,
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You are. I proved you wrong about what a refill means(the REAL DEFINITION) means to FILL AGAIN, not saying ONE THING that it has to be the same exact substance.
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when asked for proof and statistical analysis of your experiences you say no because "people might find out where you live". How does saying "I went to Chili's and this was my experience" narrow down where you live at all? It does not.
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If I told my exact experience and the person reading it knew the situation, they could say "yeah that's such-n-such". Then the next time I go into the restaurant, they'd know who I would be. Understand if something JUST happened, it's more than likely to be remembered more than if it's years ago?
This weekend I will tell you about. I was very nice, even apologized for my highly modified order. So our waitress takes down the order. As I mention the condiments, she said "You need all of that for the fries." I told her "I just like a lot of dipping sauces." Anyway, that's attitude and complaining to my face to say that. Why question WHY I ordered something? What BUSINESS is it of the server's? That's wasting my time for one and two, WHY did she want to know other than to shorten her list of things I gave her to do? I mean why otherwise would she have said that? I shouldn't have to explain *WHY* I ordered something.
This has happened before in the past as well like one time a number of years ago, probably around 10yrs ago or so, this waitress at a Denny's asked "So what you need all of that for?" I was nice and told her what I needed it all for stating "Honey mustard for the chicken tenders, ranch for the mozzarella sticks," etc. Anyway, it's like servers don't want to do ************WORK*********** for their money. I don't get it? WHY be a server if you don't want to do work? Also, it's nosy and it's inconsiderate. If they were hungry, no way would they want to be interrogated about WHY they ordered something. I am so sure they'd appreciate that delay, yeah right, they wouldn't want to answer all of that. Especially if they were like on their lunch break or something.
It's just getting annoying. Other times I had too like "You know it's a small salad" when I ordered a lot of ranch, which part of it both times was for other items, but ordered it all at once when I ordered the side salad.
I don't understand why servers think they should put their "opinion" when something is served "on the side" in your order? I mean even if it was on the food, everyone has different taste, so for example, to me having jalapeno's on everything isn't tasty, but my dad puts them on just about everything for example. Everyone is different.
So my point is, for the waitress doing that on Saturday, she got a much lower tip for complaining to my face about having to do a lot of work by saying "You need all of that for your fries." Why would someone question what I am ordering like that? Even if I ordered an outrageous ridiculous amount such as 20 sides of ranch, while I know I'd be charged, if I were a server I sure wouldn't question the customer. That's not my business, not my place and not my service either that I am paying for to be concerned. I also wouldn't want to shorten my list of things to do, because that's less money for sure I'd make more than likely. If I did more, my customer may pay me more. That's how I tip such as a couple of times a year I go out to eat on my own since my husband works one weekend a year, so if the server does a wonderful job, they get like $6 on a $11-$12 check for example. That's what I have tipped before just to say. Why? Because I know my orders are more work than the average person and if they did a wonderful job, why not tip that high?
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You simply don't want to even demonstrate any possibility that service could be better than you claim
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It could be better if servers would be nice, try their best, and not controlling.
