Flames assign Sven Baertschi to the Heat

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by macrov

The answer is probably stale cuz they lost again today. Also what's the record since Burke became gm?

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Burke isn't the GM.

If you're trying to suggest we're losing because we don't have Baertschi, I find that pretty ridiculous.

What's the record since Kris Russell was injured? How much offense have we scored without him out? How's our PP been without Russell?

Ever consider that the NHL ramps up instensity as the season goes on and that crappy teams just start falling out of the race after the first couple months?

Man there's so many possible reasons why we're worse now than earlier in the season. To decide Baertschi is the main reason is borderline crazy.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Fire

Yeah Sven's 11 points in 26 games was really driving the offense on the team.... opposing coaches are relieved they don't have to face the offensive dynamo that is Sven.

Which is second behind the injured Glencross on the team for LW's in points and points per game.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

If you don't think opposing coaches don't have a defensive game plan to cover a player like Baertschi I think you should pick a new sport to watch.

Fact: other players have lesser D coverage when he's in the lineup.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by macrov

What is the flames record since baertchi went to the heat

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5-22-3

Originally Posted by macrov

The answer is probably stale cuz they lost again today. Also what's the record since Burke became gm?

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12-10-2

Feel free to double check them though

[Ashasx]

I know people will call me a homer, but I do think Baertschi created more offence then his numbers would indicate.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Burke isn't the GM.

If you're trying to suggest we're losing because we don't have Baertschi, I find that pretty ridiculous.

What's the record since Kris Russell was injured? How much offense have we scored without him out? How's our PP been without Russell?

Ever consider that the NHL ramps up instensity as the season goes on and that crappy teams just start falling out of the race after the first couple months?

Man there's so many possible reasons why we're worse now than earlier in the season. To decide Baertschi is the main reason is borderline crazy.

woah there. Slow down cowboy. I suggested nothing. Just asked an innocent question.

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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by macrov

woah there. Slow down cowboy. I suggested nothing. Just asked an innocent question.

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Well I assumed you were trying to draw some conclusions from the answer. If you were they would be flawed.

I'm sorry if you weren't and I apologize. But Baertschi is not the reason the Flames are losing. Lack of talent is. The strength of the Western Conference is. Poor depth that doesn't allow for injuries is.

[macrov]

Remember when D. Sutter left how the flames got better overnight. When feaster left the flames got worse. And now they're being blown out.

I'm not suggesting that Burke is the reason were losing; he obviously didn't build this team. I'm merely pointing out that perhaps when your team is handicap, kissing babies might be exactly what the doctor ordered.

The flames were overachieving until feaster was fired. Now they're merely achieving. Not that I'm complaining. I can smell shrek.

[dino7c]

I also have a magic rock that makes the Flames lose...and I have stats to prove it

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I know people will call me a homer, but I do think Baertschi created more offence then his numbers would indicate.

I actually agree with you (crazier things have happened, right?), but I just think the "offence is dried up because of no Baertschi" line that some people are going with is delusional.

He did more than his stats suggest, but I think the person it had the most effect on was Monahan. The two seemed to have excellent chemistry.

It doesn't explain Cammy, Stempniak, Jones, and pretty much everyone else being totally useless.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I know people will call me a homer, but I do think Baertschi created more offence then his numbers would indicate.

I agree. I don't think you can pin these blow outs on a lack of Sven though. Its probably a mix of things.

That being the "best conditioned team" matters less as most teams are reaching their mid-season form is probably one of the biggest. That Burke had the audacity to ask the team "to do a better job holding those 3rd period leads" when it was a huge feat just to be as competitive is probably another.

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[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by strombad

I actually agree with you (crazier things have happened, right?), but I just think the "offence is dried up because of no Baertschi" line that some people are going with is delusional.

He did more than his stats suggest, but I think the person it had the most effect on was Monahan. The two seemed to have excellent chemistry.

It doesn't explain Cammy, Stempniak, Jones, and pretty much everyone else being totally useless.

You're right, it's not because of Baertschi. But I think it has contributed, add in the losses of Russell and Glencross, and the firing of Feaster and I think the perfect storm of suck is created.

I can't really blame any of the players for not caring anymore. A lot of them know their time is up with the team. It's not a healthy environment.

Lots of things going wrong at once, and the Flames suck.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by strombad

For those interested in how Sven has been doing on the Heat... well... not great...

8GP/2G/1A/-3

Hopefully he picks it up over the last half of the season.

Is there any indication as to how he's actually been playing? When he was sent down, there were constant refrains about him needing to be a player in all three zones. With that directive, I didn't expect him to go down and start scoring like crazy. I expected his points to be secondary as he focuses on the defensive and neutral zone play which are his weakest areas.

Can anyone comments if he's been making strides in those areas?

[Badgers Nose]

If Calgary is not playing Sven they are not icing their best team. Might not make a difference given their degree of suck, but I don't get leaving a top player off the roster. The only better lw is hurt???

[Fire]

Originally Posted by T@T

Which is second behind the injured Glencross on the team for LW's in points and points per game.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...iewName=points

If you don't think opposing coaches don't have a defensive game plan to cover a player like Baertschi I think you should pick a new sport to watch.

Fact: other players have lesser D coverage when he's in the lineup.

I think your delusional if you believe opposing coaches are focusing on Sven when creating defensive game plans. Plus Sven is third for left wings because Cammalleri is also a LWer. Byron is playing on the left wing as well and is tied with Sven for ppg so what does that tell you?

I don't think some people realize how badly the Flames are missing Russell in the line-up. He's has been the 2nd best defenseman on this team after Giordano. Probably the best defenseman in creating offense. If Brodie turns into what Russell has been this season I think fans would be happy.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fire

I don't think some people realize how badly the Flames are missing Russell in the line-up. He's has been the 2nd best defenseman on this team after Giordano. Probably the best defenseman in creating offense. If Brodie turns into what Russell has been this season I think fans would be happy.

While Kris Russel has been a nifty surprise, the impact of his absence from the lineup is a damning indictment of this team.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well I assumed you were trying to draw some conclusions from the answer. If you were they would be flawed.

I'm sorry if you weren't and I apologize. But Baertschi is not the reason the Flames are losing. Lack of talent is. The strength of the Western Conference is. Poor depth that doesn't allow for injuries is.

Doesn't Baertschi fall into this category? I don't think him not being in the Flames line-up in necessarily hurting them, but it can't hurt to inject some skill back into it, especially when we're not scoring. What is Galiardi or Jones doing that Baertschi can't while actually being able to receive passes and take shots?

[Bingo Jr.]

Sven Baertschi should be a dominate scorer in the AHL, so he really has to amp up his game so he can fight his way back to the Flames.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

It's baffling to me how many times in one game Sven will shy away from a hit, even if it means turning the puck over to avoid a check. That's something he's going to have to get over quickly.

I'm curious if all those injuries have made him, I hate to say it, Mitch Wahl-like.

Kind of surprised at how few posters have chosen to respond to PMM's evaluation of Sven's play and apparent lack ( fear) of engagement in Abbotsford.

If true it is a huge problem.

[JobHopper]

Originally Posted by timbit

Kind of surprised at how few posters have chosen to respond to PMM's evaluation of Sven's play and apparent lack ( fear) of engagement in Abbotsford.

If true it is a huge problem.

I was pretty much saying the same thing when he was up here on the Flames.

Just the fact that Burke demoted Sven as quickly as he did, says everything.

And it's not because Burke hates him either.

Baertschi is still very immature with little hockey sense.

There were games were he single handedly killed the Flames momentum which they had worked so hard to build.

Sven's a long way from being an effective NHLer.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

If you're trying to suggest we're losing because we don't have Baertschi, I find that pretty ridiculous.

What's the record since Kris Russell was injured? How much offense have we scored without him out? How's our PP been without Russell?

Seems equally ridiculous to suggest Russell is the reason this team is losing too. There are lots of reasons this team is losing and no one single issue is the cause, especially the loss of a single player.