I am so very happy to see this gaining steam. My only beef is in this being called "Gay Rights" or "LGBT Rights". Let's call it what it is, HUMAN rights. I've always felt that the second you begin to name something in a segregationist manner you hurt the people you are fighting for. It's not Gay marriage, it's Marriage. Two people who love each other in a committed and loving relationship.
My feelings, mayhap not yours.
I agree for the most part, except I would ban all marriage, it would make people much happier whether gay or straight
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Glad you care a great deal about a human rights issue. There's still a lot of work to be done, and the NHL doing this is a big help.
Re: Pylon, I think we have a case of a poster unintentionally wandering into a minefield. He speculated on a topic drawing from his own experience, and while inaccurate, he wasn't trying to be derogatory. So no, in no way bigoted.
Wrong, but not discriminatory.
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Having been on this site for a long time (over 10 years I think - some guys go back way longer) I find it very encouraging to see how even on here attitudes towards LGBT rights have changed in the last decade quite dramatically.
The ignorant voices are now few and far between and treated with the appropriate amount of ridicule that they deserve.
We are one site - but I think it is a positive sign that society is moving in the right direction.
I wouldn't be patting ourselves on the back just yet though, long road to go. When you report a post that is clearly over the top and homophobic and you get a reply that it's okay because it's considered "locker room talk" you start to wonder.
Progress? Sure but not there yet.
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I wouldn't be patting ourselves on the back just yet though, long road to go. When you report a post that is clearly over the top and homophobic and you get a reply that it's okay because it's considered "locker room talk" you start to wonder.
Progress? Sure but not there yet.
But to be fair, when I did the Gay a.m.a. on here all those years ago, it was slightly awkward, and I probably tried a bit too hard to be cool/funny. However, I do think we've progressed around here, just look at how many others are willing to talk about themselves openly.
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But to be fair, when I did the Gay a.m.a. on here all those years ago, it was slightly awkward, and I probably tried a bit too hard to be cool/funny. However, I do think we've progressed around here, just look at how many others are willing to talk about themselves openly.
You're gay?!?!?!
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And just to be clear I don't just hold these views towards women. If I were homosexual I wouldn't want a fella thats been in all kinds of drug fueled orgies or whatever those guys do on weekends
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1) the appeal to "human rights" makes me cringe, especially because 99 times out of 100 it comes from a straight dude who's never been excluded from the category of "human" before
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Because you have to experience it to know it's wrong and ####ed up, right?
...3) the NHL having these supporters really doesn't mean much and is a lot like the thread about whether athletes should compete in Russia due to LGBT* issues, when the problem is systemic and imbedded in the structure (*cough* capitalism)...
Come again?
I honestly don't know anything about what it is that Right to Play does, but I get the impression that it is a lot more than just performing lip service. Does anyone have any experience with this group? In what ways do they actively promote acceptance in sports? And what the hell do LGBT issues have to do with capitalism anyways?
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Having been on this site for a long time (over 10 years I think - some guys go back way longer) I find it very encouraging to see how even on here attitudes towards LGBT rights have changed in the last decade quite dramatically.
The ignorant voices are now few and far between and treated with the appropriate amount of ridicule that they deserve.
We are one site - but I think it is a positive sign that society is moving in the right direction.
I agree, in Calgary I honestly haven't met a person over the last few years that even thinks twice about people being gay. As if it is some kind of "issue", it's just not a thing anymore. I am sure that I am just not maybe seeing some of the discrimination that might go on but as a society it feels much more open than it used to.
Honestly to even see any news items about gay rights or similar, I feel is kind of odd. Like as if talking about left handed people or blue eyed people or some other inane, not that interesting thing. I legitimately don't find it all that interesting and I hope that society continues to advance in this form, particularly the U.S.
I honestly don't know anything about what it is that Right to Play does, but I get the impression that it is a lot more than just performing lip service. Does anyone have any experience with this group? In what ways do they actively promote acceptance in sports?
You Can Play is a public awareness campaign group working with teams in a number of sports to create a culture in locker rooms where athletes are not bullied because of their sexual orientation and make them safe for all athletes so kids coming up in sport won't have to deal with past issues in sport where sexual orientation might have caused you to lose a spot on a team or quit a sport. They act as consultants to the teams as to how to facilitate this sort of change and when asked/invited by the team, will step in as a 3rd party to address any issues with players making inappropriate comments. They do perform a lot of "lip service" by speaking at events, to teams and basically any opportunity they can to teams and sport but being new, I think this is moreso to get themselves out there. They also now partner with charitable events aimed at including all athletes and have lead an initiative for gay athletes going to Sochi as over the past year, as they have grown and evolved considerably due to the positive NHL response and more public awareness of their campaign.
When they started, they sat down with as many teams as possible in every sport and educated them about inclusion and trying to quell the mindset that sports, namely the Big 4, are for "real" men only. Patrick and Brian Burke (founders of You Can Play as Brendan Burke, Brian's now deceased son came out as gay shortly before his death and they did this in his memory) went out and spoke to a number of teams and leagues about Brendan and trying to change locker-room culture and getting partnerships with the teams to offer further educational opportunities.
They have also sat down with numerous players (Tyler Seguin probably the most well known case of having these meetings) at the request of the team and league (they don't act on their own, it is at the invitation of the league or team) after anti-gay comments were made on social media or in the media as part of their partnership with the NHL to both get information from the player as to why they said it and then educate them as to why it wasn't a great idea to say it. As per Patrick's own admittance, it isn't to punish the player and they don't lecture them and no discipline is suggested by them to the team, it's an educational opportunity for both sides with hopefully the player choosing to correct the behaviour.
I think right now, their biggest promotion for inclusion in sport is the Sochi Olympics and stating that any openly gay athlete should attend and they will attend as well as a group (which include a number a pro-inclusion but not homosexual themselves members) despite any Russian laws against being pro-gay as the Olympics has nothing to do with sexual orientation and everything to do with skill and ability. The other large project is the NHL player videos, much like the MLB it gets better ones, where players are saying that they want someone on their team because they are good enough to play and that's all they care about.
1) the appeal to "human rights" makes me cringe, especially because 99 times out of 100 it comes from a straight dude who's never been excluded from the category of "human" before
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You bet I'm straight. And just as proud of it as you are of being gay! But don't you for one second believe that I have never faced being excluded from "human" by society. I have VERY intimate knowledge of how that feels, and how brutally difficult it is to try and live my life under those conditions. As a matter of fact this is exactly why I call it human rights. Because ALL humans deal with being treated as a subspecies at one point or another in their lives.
And really it doesn't matter straight, gay, male, female. We are all fighting for the same thing. To be treated as equals regardless of any other fact than we are just sacks of meat and water hurtling through space on this rock.
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I was actually having a good chuckle last night at people getting all bent out of shape at Pylon. The guy perpetuated a positive stereotype in my mind, what's the big deal? Was anyone in the CP gay community offended?
That's a like a black dude getting all bent out of shape if someone said black dudes had big dongers. If I was black and someone said that to me I'd be all "hell yeah, baby's arm" and not all "you bigot! Take it back!"
