Sort of. Tagging refers to the amount of money you can be over the cap in the off season. The Flyers have had this issue in recent off seasons due to Pronger's deal counting in the summer, but not during the season because of LTIR savings.
There is a more detailed answer but that's a summary of The concept.
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Burke, as mean as he can be, is a witty and intelligent person. Lowe always comes across us such a pathetic little man in these exchanges. He's like Michael Scott without any of the affable qualities. You almost feel sorry for him for always getting bashed, but then he opens his mouth and you realize why it's more than justified.
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Hahahaha, oh boy! When you parade the cup ring argument, you know you just have nothing to say. Interesting to note, the Oilers are on a 6 game losing streak. Brutal!
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wow, that is a golden interview right there. He sounds like such an idiot.
Once Lowe wins some cups as a GM/Executive, his cups don't matter from his playing days really don't matter IMO.
If Burke can back up whatever he does in the media with some success on the ice, he is free to blab as much as he wants. He will always sound more intelligent and his hair is awesome.
Regehr was such a shell that he got a bigger return two years later, went to the conference finals and then got a 2 year extension. He very clearly has a lot left in the tank.
One reason: Daryl Sutter.
IMHO, had Daryl not been hired by the Kings, Robyn finishes his contract in Buffalo and then takes a #6 defense role on any team that offers him a UFA contract at a pretty decent pay cut.
IMHO, had Daryl not been hired by the Kings, Robyn finishes his contract in Buffalo and then takes a #6 defense role on any team that offers him a UFA contract at a pretty decent pay cut.
He got two second rounders before playing one game as a King with Darryl Sutter. Darryl Sutter didn't make him play good for Buffalo or make him a fan favorite there and he sure didn't make the asking price for Regehr to be what it was. Regehr is not an old player. He was obviously a sought after player to get two second rounders.
Regehr was no where near close to being a 6th defencemen as a UFA. He still has plenty of game left and is a player the Flames have missed dearly.
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He got two second rounders before playing one game as a King with Darryl Sutter. Darryl Sutter didn't make him play good for Buffalo or make him a fan favorite there and he sure didn't make the asking price for Regehr to be what it was. Regehr is not an old player. He was obviously a sought after player to get two second rounders.
Regehr was no where near close to being a 6th defencemen as a UFA. He still has plenty of game left and is a player the Flames have missed dearly.
Well Douglas Murray did get traded for 2 2nds at the same time as Regher and is doing pretty much what he said. Signed as a #6 Dman, at a hefty paycut, and might even be out of the league next year
Regher has always been better than Murray but I think it is safe to say his trade to the Kings definitely helped out his career and the price of 2 2nds shows what a good GM can get when the trade market is inflated. Guys who play Regher's style always get old overnight and it looked like it might have happened to Regher before he got out of Buffalo
But I don't see what this discussion even has to do with the (awful) Feaster trade anyways. There was no indication that Regher had lost a step during his last year in Calgary and even the day of the trade it was obvious Feaster got a terrible return for a top 4 dman with a good contract
by far his worst move (because the ROR and Richards things didn't happen)
He got two second rounders before playing one game as a King with Darryl Sutter. Darryl Sutter didn't make him play good for Buffalo or make him a fan favorite there and he sure didn't make the asking price for Regehr to be what it was. Regehr is not an old player. He was obviously a sought after player to get two second rounders.
Regehr was no where near close to being a 6th defencemen as a UFA. He still has plenty of game left and is a player the Flames have missed dearly.
Just to play devil's advocate here, but are we basing the quality of a player based on his return in a trade?
Yeah, Regehr got two 2nd's.
So did Douglas Murray... who is a.... what's that? Oh right, a sixth defenceman after becoming a UFA.
In fact, the progression of the two during the time where they got traded was eerily similar, save for the fact that instead of going UFA, one got traded to the Kings and got to play under Sutter, and is now getting second pairing minutes.
He got two second rounders before playing one game as a King with Darryl Sutter. Darryl Sutter didn't make him play good for Buffalo or make him a fan favorite there and he sure didn't make the asking price for Regehr to be what it was. Regehr is not an old player. He was obviously a sought after player to get two second rounders.
Regehr was no where near close to being a 6th defencemen as a UFA. He still has plenty of game left and is a player the Flames have missed dearly.
RR did NOT play good for Buffalo he was terrible and in their bottom pairing and not anywhere near earning his contract. That said he is still a useful player in the right situation obviously (deep team, big team, western conference)
5 points and -12 in his first year in Buffalo making 4M
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^ That is the challenge, assessing individuals in the context of a team game. Bouw was overwhelmed on a team with no top 2 way C and no great defense partner. Ian White had league leading stats paired with Lidstrom and having Datsyuk as the top C. All of StL, Det and LA have both structure, good defensive forwards and system, and depth.
So the question is who can succeed in the situation they have to work with. Sometimes it is leadership, sometimes it is playing within your means. And having an adept coach and GM that can make that determination.
Regehr couldn't carry Calgary, nor could Bouw. Shea Weber may have had trouble with no C, no training camp, and tons of changes. Feaster was free to value Regehr highly, but he would get different results on Buffalo and LA. Obviously he still has game but it dropped on Calgary and blaming the rest of the team is in part for Feaster admitting defeat. Plus, it was a team in "cap jail" and making a statement towards change of direction.
I don't fault anyone and am glad to see that Regehr, despite not being Superman enough to improve the lowly Sabres, still can play a key role on a solid team. He really is a guy who does ideally contribute to a strong team rather than being an individual contributor on a weak team. Those guys you likely pay
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Well Douglas Murray did get traded for 2 2nds at the same time as Regher and is doing pretty much what he said. Signed as a #6 Dman, at a hefty paycut, and might even be out of the league next year
Regher has always been better than Murray but I think it is safe to say his trade to the Kings definitely helped out his career and the price of 2 2nds shows what a good GM can get when the trade market is inflated. Guys who play Regher's style always get old overnight and it looked like it might have happened to Regher before he got out of Buffalo
But I don't see what this discussion even has to do with the (awful) Feaster trade anyways. There was no indication that Regher had lost a step during his last year in Calgary and even the day of the trade it was obvious Feaster got a terrible return for a top 4 dman with a good contract
by far his worst move (because the ROR and Richards things didn't happen)
It was a bad move for sure. If a real legitimate future telling crystal ball appeared, and we were to look to "what if Robyn Regehr played for the Buffalo Sabres minus Butler and Byron", then we got fair value for Regehr. His actual worth at the time should have gotten a better return, no question.
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Yeah, Regehr got two 2nd's.
So did Douglas Murray... who is a.... what's that? Oh right, a sixth defenceman after becoming a UFA.
Technically, Douglas Murray got traded for a 2013 2nd round pick and a conditional 2014 second round pick. The conditions were that Murray either re-sign with the Penguins or the Penguins win two playoff rounds in 2013. If neither of these conditions were met that 2014 pick ends up being a 3rd round pick.
The significance of this? Based on the Penguins's standing as the second best regular season team in the league, the Penguins guaranteed that they either got a non-rental player out of the deal or the conditional pick not being higher than 57th overall. Based on what happened in the 2013 NHL draft, the cost of moving up in the 2nd round is a 3rd round pick. The Regehr trade had no such conditions.
Technically, Douglas Murray got traded for a 2013 2nd round pick and a conditional 2014 second round pick. The conditions were that Murray either re-sign with the Penguins or the Penguins win two playoff rounds in 2013. If neither of these conditions were met that 2014 pick ends up being a 3rd round pick.
The significance of this? Based on the Penguins's standing as the second best regular season team in the league, the Penguins guaranteed that they either got a non-rental player out of the deal or the conditional pick not being higher than 57th overall. Based on what happened in the 2013 NHL draft, the cost of moving up in the 2nd round is a 3rd round pick. The Regehr trade had no such conditions.
That was a really long and drawn out way of saying: "It was almost different! But in the end they were both traded for the exact same return!"
The difference you're trying to point out is entirely insignificant. Either way, the two 2nd's were on the table and were the most likely return. The Penguins weren't betting on dropping out of the playoffs early, they were a powerhouse.
No point arguing Whether Regher was still any good or not. The fact is the Sabres got a better return for him a year and a bit later which shows Feaster didn't get good value, and that Regier is an awesome trader
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Regehr was such a shell that he got a bigger return two years later, went to the conference finals and then got a 2 year extension. He very clearly has a lot left in the tank.
Yeah...it wasn't so much these players were done as much as it was that Brent was a very bad coach.
On the return we got for regehr...what are the chances of a second rounder turning into a player that plays over 100 NHL games?
We got Butler back and he went into the line up immediately. And he was only 24. His actual value at the time was probably a late first rounder. We also dumped kotalik, which we paid a second for. And we got Bryon.
and feaster felt Byron was worth a second. So...
So, ignoring the 2nd we gave up for kotalik...we probably got the eqv of a 1st and a 2nd for Regehr straight up. And buffalo traded him for 2 seconds round picks. So we did ok.
Whether you like Butler or not, he's a player that's going to play over 400 games in a 5\6 role. That's the equivalent of a first round pick.
