[News] Feaster and Weisbrod relieved of duties. Burke will hire a new GM

[PeteLFan]

Dwight Howard is a bum and has accomplished nothing with major character issues.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Dwight Howard is a bum and has accomplished nothing with major character issues.

He was also the consensus number 1. I don't know how much credit a staff can get when it's clearly that guy who's the first overall pick to make.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by nik-

He was also the consensus number 1. I don't know how much credit a staff can get when it's clearly that guy who's the first overall pick to make.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that he wasn't the consensus #1.

nevermind: wrong

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that he wasn't the consensus #1.

He was the consensus number 1 from the midpoint of the 2004 season, not even just at draft time.

[PeteLFan]

He wasn't the consensus #1 emeka okafur was 1 on a lot of boards. College player vs high school.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

He wasn't the consensus #1 emeka okafur was 1 on a lot of boards. College player vs high school.

No, he really was. There will always be some differing opinion, but it was all Howard.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That is worrisome. Advanced stats aren't everything, but they are extremely useful if used in context.

Had the Leafs employed their use when deciding what to do with Bozak/Grabovski, they would have seen that Grabovski was the much better player.

I guess that's bad news for Backlund as well.

Disagree but thats beside the point.

Brian Burke makes fun of people that use advanced stats apparently.

Literally.

He supposedly took time to fly to a conference of advanced stats NHL guys and made fun of them when he was there.

[868904]

Originally Posted by moon

There has been a lot of talk, a lot of it from Friedman, that Weisbrod is not well liked around the hockey world and that many were not surprised to see him canned.

You hear a ton of reports that he is smart and has done somethings while in Calgary that are off the board or "his own way" of thinking so perhaps he thinks he is smarter than everyone else and that rubs people the wrong way with that kind of attitude.

Pierre McGuire also said something similar on a past interview (way before they were fired) on Team 1040 out in Vancouver. Said that Weisbrod and Feaster think they are smarter than everyone else, and use a whole bunch of big words in press releases to show how educated they are. When I heard it, I thought McGuire was just being his usual bitter self because another guy got a GM job before he did, but now it does sound like Weisbrod and Feaster maybe weren't particularly well liked in the community.

I suppose it's not imperative that other GM's or the hockey community likes your manager, but I suppose it doesn't hurt if they do.

I think many fans think making trades is a real easy thing, just like how it is on NHL14 or whatever, but the reality is that it is a negotiation, and the more affable a negotiator is, the more likely he is to succeed.

[CaramonLS]

PM also said flat out immediately after the he was traded that the package that Detroit put together for Bouwmeester was better than what St. Louis offered.

Would really like to know what they offered.

[Dion]

HNIC radio did an interview with Burke about the firing of Feaster

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...ster-1.2462443

Burke was asked how do you rebuild this team. He said you can't reload through free agency as most if not all the top players have resigned by thier teams. Trades were how he he rebuilt his teams in the past.

In terms of attracting players to Calgary he wants to create a working relationship with Hockey Canada and Winnsport to hold more of thier practices there. Marveled about the facilities Winnsport has and feels it's a great attraction to get players to sign here. A new arena is also a must.

Report was done on Nov 15th and submitted to ownership.

He said it took 2 years in Toronto to shovel the stable and get rid of contracts. Flames situation is much better with cap space open and no bad contracts.

Won't deviate from plans by bring in the 35 year old type over agers.

Cassie Campbell asked a dumb question in reagrds to the tweets by his son and daughter. Long silence followed by a I don't follow anyone on Twitter and don't know how to do it.

[Hockeyboy2]

Today I heard the following tidbits from someone much more credible and close to the Flames Organization than the Orange Julius guy but talk is talk so this is what this is......talk.

-Brian Burke performed a full thorough and exhaustive examination of the Flames Organization and was thoroughly appalled with the teams drafting record, scouting staff, what the organization looks for in evaluating players as well as the development of those players.

-John Weisbrod's player evaluating philosophies are not well respected around the league and he has a much different philosophy than most every other scouting executive as far as evaluating talent.

-Things were never as they seemed when Brian Burke was highered, Brian Burke reported to one man and one man only, Murray Edwards and when Burke was highered Feasters days were essentially numbered.

-Brian Burke does not like small players and despite what he says about wanting to keep Johnny Gaudreau around.....he doesnt. He does not believe that small players can exist in this league and that Martin St. Louis and guys like him are extremely rare and not worth taking a risk on.

-Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod believes in character, Hockey IQ, speed, skill. Brian Burke believes in size, truculence, black and blue hockey.

-Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod were in Abbostford watching the Heat when they were called back to Calgary to be fired.

[ricosuave]

well, that's interesting

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod believes in character, Hockey IQ, speed, skill. Brian Burke believes in size, truculence, black and blue hockey.

I don't see why one set of attributes has to be exclusive of the other.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Today I heard the following tidbits from someone much more credible and close to the Flames Organization than the Orange Julius guy but talk is talk so this is what this is......talk.

-Brian Burke performed a full thorough and exhaustive examination of the Flames Organization and was thoroughly appalled with the teams drafting record, scouting staff, what the organization looks for in evaluating players as well as the development of those players.

-John Weisbrod's player evaluating philosophies are not well respected around the league and he has a much different philosophy than most every other scouting executive as far as evaluating talent.

-Things were never as they seemed when Brian Burke was highered, Brian Burke reported to one man and one man only, Murray Edwards and when Burke was highered Feasters days were essentially numbered.

-Brian Burke does not like small players and despite what he says about wanting to keep Johnny Gaudreau around.....he doesnt. He does not believe that small players can exist in this league and that Martin St. Louis and guys like him are extremely rare and not worth taking a risk on.

-Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod believes in character, Hockey IQ, speed, skill. Brian Burke believes in size, truculence, black and blue hockey.

-Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod were in Abbostford watching the Heat when they were called back to Calgary to be fired.

I really don't want to believe this.

I don't want to be the team drafting the Gaunces, Biggs', Nemiszs, and Gauthiers of the world. They are boring picks with limited upside.

More than half of our top prospects... Baertschi, Gaudreau, Klimchuk, Agostino, are all shorter than 5'11".

Sigh.

[$ven27]

If Gaudreau is traded before he has a chance to show what he's got (he is a risk but if he pans out he'll be a very exciting player) then I'll go ape $***

[Red John]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Dwight Howard is a bum and has accomplished nothing with major character issues.

Butthurt Laker fan alert

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I don't see why one set of attributes has to be exclusive of the other.

It doesn't have to be.

However right now players like Cammellerri, Byron, Hudler, Stajan, Baertschi, Stempniak, Gaudreau (Prospect), Russel are all examples of players on this team that are small in stature but who have very good hockey IQ, character and speed.

We don't have many players aside from Sean Monohan who appear to have both sets of attributes.

But yes I agree with you, we should be looking for players with both sets of ideals.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by $ven27

If Gaudreau is traded before he has a chance to show what he's got (he is a risk but if he pans out he'll be a very exciting player) then I'll go ape $***

I would suspect there is a realistic chance of this. Not a slam dunk chance, but a realistic one.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I really don't want to believe this.

I don't want to be the team drafting the Gaunces, Biggs', Nemiszs, and Gauthiers of the world. They are boring picks with limited upside.

More than half of our top prospects... Baertschi, Gaudreau, Klimchuk, Agostino, are all shorter than 5'11".

Sigh.

Would I be off the wall for suggesting that Brian Burke's drafting criteria could be comparable to Darryl Sutter's? Is that out of line? If its not out of line then yes we will be drafting the Gaunces, Biggs, Nemiszs, Gauthiers of the world very soon.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

-Jay Feaster and John Weisbrod believes in character, Hockey IQ, speed, skill.

This is why I was ready to wait and see what they could build this team into, because eventually they'd get their hands on players with these attributes as well size and toughness.

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Brian Burke believes in size, truculence, black and blue hockey.

This is why I'm worried we're going to end up with a team full of big tough dummies, and a prospect cupboard full of the same.