Flames assign Sven Baertschi to the Heat

[PeteLFan]

Sven is young has skill, but he has not put it together. He is a liability, not hard enough on pucks or the d-zone, and he does not bring it in the offensive end either. For Sven to be a top player he will have to be a point producer, and that will allow the team to give him a bit of leeway on the defensive side.

Right now he is a useless hockey player that brings nothing to the tabel. His offensive production is minimal, he has zero impact on the game in any way shape or form. At least by developing a complete game he can provide something when he is not producing.

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If Burke wants to trade Baertschi, he should have moved him before he took him to the cleaners in front of the media. His value right now is at an all time low.

With that said, I still expect him to be traded, and we'll be severely disappointed with the return.

No kidding.

Burke could trade Baertschi for Crosby and you'd still complain.

[$ven27]

Way too early to be concerned about Sven IMO. He's still only 21 years old, give him a season or two to bulk up and adjust to the NHL game and I think we'll have a solid top 6 winger.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sven has been just fine in his own zone. Yes, he needs to bulk up, but he's never going to be a big hulking hockey player.

You don't have to be a hulking player to be a good defensive player. If Baertschi was producing and even a passable player in his own zone he would be up with the big club. The fact of the matter is that he's not producing, does nothing in the offensive zone except on the power play, and is horrible in the other two zones. That makes him a complete liability out there and a reason why he needs to go someplace that isn't Calgary and work on his play away from the puck. Heck, the way he's playing he needs to work on his game with the puck! Abby is a great place for him right now.

He's a skilled player. Let's develop him into a skill player and put the xp in skating, shooting, passing, whatever. This is what he is.

Right now he isn't even that. He's been given opportunity with the top scorer and top point producer on the team and he's way behind both of them in production. The problem with Baertschi is he doesn't work hard enough in any zone and that leads to him doing nothing out there. He's a horrible hockey player right now. This isn't the Oilers so he'll have to prove he can play before being given ice time in the NHL.

If Burke wants to trade Baertschi, he should have moved him before he took him to the cleaners in front of the media. His value right now is at an all time low.

Burke taking him to the cleaners in the media has no impact on his trade value. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, there were fans on here that were talking about Baertschi's problems back in the July development camp! This isn't a surprise to anyone, especially those that follow the game and player development. Baertschi's value is the same as it ever was, and if it isn't, that falls right on Sven Baertschi and no one else.

With that said, I still expect him to be traded, and we'll be severely disappointed with the return.

If he is traded it will be for an important player that will be a cornerstone of the franchise moving forward. As it is, I will not be disappointed if he is traded, regardless of the return. The way he has behaved this year has been unacceptable and is the type of behavior that you do not want rubbing off on other players. He needs to get his fecal matter into a neat little pile and grow up. Otherwise I would prefer he was playing elsewhere because that attitude is what destroys teams. He needs to get his fecal matter into a nice orderly pile and realize that this is a team game and on winning teams all players have responsibilities to both sides of the puck. End of story.

[BigFlameDog]

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by New Era

If he is traded it will be for an important player that will be a cornerstone of the franchise moving forward. As it is, I will not be disappointed if he is traded, regardless of the return. The way he has behaved this year has been unacceptable and is the type of behavior that you do not want rubbing off on other players. He needs to get his fecal matter into a neat little pile and grow up. Otherwise I would prefer he was playing elsewhere because that attitude is what destroys teams. He needs to get his fecal matter into a nice orderly pile and realize that this is a team game and on winning teams all players have responsibilities to both sides of the puck. End of story.

This type of villainizing and blowing things out of proportion has got to stop. It's like he took a picture of himself in Vegas showing off fat stacks of cash.

Did he have a bad attitude when he took the blame for the loss against Chicago 2 weeks ago? Or when he was sat all these times this season? This is a kid who wouldn't even switch his number because fans had already bought jerseys with 47 on the back.

Remember when the coaches couldn't pull him and Granlund off the ice during the first rookie camp he attended? Remember when he finished top 5 in physical testing at camp this year?

Yeah, never mind those things, because there is a rumour that he didn't want to go to the rookie camp this summer.

The reason why he only has 11 points this year is because of his bad attitude. He lost a check against Taylor Hall because he has a bad attitude. He iced the puck against Chicago with 30 seconds left because he has a bad attitude.

Yeah, grow up, Sven Baertschi. How dare you only score 11 points?

This team is long for skilled players if this is how we handle the growing pains of our young talent.

If Baertschi had taken the same exact penalty Colborne took 2 games ago, we wouldn't hear the end of it from people like you.

[dissentowner]

Man, this thread is a train wreck.

[Stay Golden]

Zero problem with Sven being sent down he just wasn't committed this season to the game plan and is weak, really weak in his own end.
He needs to listen and take note of how Jones got back up to the Flames and has so far stuck.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This type of villainizing and blowing things out of proportion has got to stop. It's like he took a picture of himself in Vegas showing off fat stacks of cash.

Did he have a bad attitude when he took the blame for the loss against Chicago 2 weeks ago? Or when he was sat all these times this season? This is a kid who wouldn't even switch his number because fans had already bought jerseys with 47 on the back.

Remember when the coaches couldn't pull him and Granlund off the ice during the first rookie camp he attended? Remember when he finished top 5 in physical testing at camp this year?

Yeah, never mind those things, because there is a rumour that he didn't want to go to the rookie camp this summer.

The reason why he only has 11 points this year is because of his bad attitude. He lost a check against Taylor Hall because he has a bad attitude. He iced the puck against Chicago with 30 seconds left because he has a bad attitude.

Yeah, grow up, Sven Baertschi. How dare you only score 11 points?

This team is long for skilled players if this is how we handle the growing pains of our young talent.

If Baertschi had taken the same exact penalty Colborne took 2 games ago, we wouldn't hear the end of it from people like you.

I have high hopes for Sven and hope he turns into the top 6 winger for the Flames that is expected; however, I will admit to having some of the shine wear off with some of his comments this summer regarding his play in the prospect tourney.

He was asked why he struggled and he said paraphrasing that he felt it was because he plays better with NHL guys and the prospect tourney was too slow.

Now I took it mostly as a young immature kid not knowing how to speak to the media, but it did smack of excuses. In fact, the last Flames prospect to make that ridiculous claim that any league below the NHL was "too slow" for him to succeed in was Leland Irving, and he's in Finland now.

I just wish Sven owned up to his struggles instead of making up a stupid excuse that made him look entitled and selfish, because, I really don't think he's a bad kid at all, but I do think he has some maturing to do, which is why the AHL and Troy Ward is probably a good thing for him at this stage.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Zero problem with Sven being sent down he just wasn't committed this season to the game plan and is weak, really weak in his own end.
He needs to listen and take note of how Jones got back up to the Flames and has so far stuck.

Svsn has more talent in his nutsac than Jones overall. all this tough love crap is making me sick, this team needs skilled players and now it seems people want them in another league.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Since he's been scratched earlier this year I've noticed a huge improvement in his work ethic without the puck, you can tell he's putting in a solid effort to backcheck and break up plays. He doesn't look too lazy out there to me.

If you say he's a young player that needs more time in the AHL to continue improving his game and going to Abby will allow him to play a lot of minutes to do so................sure, I can buy that.

But when you see people say things like he's horrible in all 3 zones? Way over the top, imo.

[Heavy Jack]

Wow... horrible hockey player???

Sven needs work but the way his game is being dissected right now to help justify him being sent down is just ridiculous. He needs the tools of his game refined and the AHL right now is a better place for him to do that, but his game wasn't "horrible" while up in the NHL and he probably has learned quite a bit about his overall game. Now he just needs to take this as an opportunity not as a set back which it seems like he is doing and which is what he has done in the past.

Sven has done everything right so far IMO from a player's stand point. He has handled the microscope surrounding him each and every time he has been sat for a game and so far the few times he's been sent down to Abby.

This all or nothing approach on either side (Sven is amazing and needs to stay/Sven is horrible, a liability and needs to stay in Abby) is a little bit melodramatic for my tastes. We will see Sven up sometime before or after the Olympic break and I bet you he comes back with some fervor in his game and I am looking forward to it.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by 868904

I have high hopes for Sven and hope he turns into the top 6 winger for the Flames that is expected; however, I will admit to having some of the shine wear off with some of his comments this summer regarding his play in the prospect tourney.

He was asked why he struggled and he said paraphrasing that he felt it was because he plays better with NHL guys and the prospect tourney was too slow.

Now I took it mostly as a young immature kid not knowing how to speak to the media, but it did smack of excuses. In fact, the last Flames prospect to make that ridiculous claim that any league below the NHL was "too slow" for him to succeed in was Leland Irving, and he's in Finland now.

I just wish Sven owned up to his struggles instead of making up a stupid excuse that made him look entitled and selfish, because, I really don't think he's a bad kid at all, but I do think he has some maturing to do, which is why the AHL and Troy Ward is probably a good thing for him at this stage.

That's fine. But you also have to remember that English is not his first or even second language. Hockey players are not poets or philosophers. Something like this should not be blown out of proportion to the extent that it erases all the positives we've seen from him.

Baertschi does not have a bad attitude... it couldn't be further from the truth. And that frustrates me.

[icecube]

New Era is the king of hyperbole in this thread. Run one of our only good prospects out of town, why don't ya. People have unrealistic expectations of young players. The kid is still a freaking rookie. He's gonna turn out just fine.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

But when you see people say things like he's horrible in all 3 zones? Way over the top, imo.

You may think horrible is over the top but he is really bad. Like Edmonton Oiler bad. If he was wearing an Oiler jersey we would be relishing in just how poorly he is playing and how another first round pick is rolling toward being a bust. He hasn't looked good any zone for any extended period of time. For supposedly believing he has what it takes to be the face of this franchise and a top talent in the NHL, he's been horrible.

I hope he gets his game back in Abby because he hasn't looked like a NHL player in any shape or form. He has set expectations that he has not even come remotely close to achieving. He hasn't displayed the talent to be a top six player and hasn't displayed the smarts to be a bottom six player. I don't see where he fits in the NHL right now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Right now he is a useless hockey player that brings nothing to the tabel. His offensive production is minimal, he has zero impact on the game in any way shape or form. At least by developing a complete game he can provide something when he is not producing.

I don't get the hate for Baertschi.

Originally Posted by New Era

If he was wearing an Oiler jersey we would be relishing in just how poorly he is playing and how another first round pick is rolling toward being a bust. .

How is he nearing a bust? I think Jankowski is a lot closer to that than Sven.

11 points is not setting the world on fire, but it isn't bad production for a rookie. Were you expecting a ppg from him? I think he has shown he has top 6 talent.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by New Era

You may think horrible is over the top but he is really bad. Like Edmonton Oiler bad. If he was wearing an Oiler jersey we would be relishing in just how poorly he is playing and how another first round pick is rolling toward being a bust. He hasn't looked good any zone for any extended period of time. For supposedly believing he has what it takes to be the face of this franchise and a top talent in the NHL, he's been horrible.

I hope he gets his game back in Abby because he hasn't looked like a NHL player in any shape or form. He has set expectations that he has not even come remotely close to achieving. He hasn't displayed the talent to be a top six player and hasn't displayed the smarts to be a bottom six player. I don't see where he fits in the NHL right now.

Thankfully he's not nearly as terrible as you're making him out to be and he's only 21. He certainly not 'rolling toward being a bust'.

Lots of time for him to improve his game, he's going to be ok. He'll be a solid top 6 player for this time in the near future.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If Burke wants to trade Baertschi, he should have moved him before he took him to the cleaners in front of the media. His value right now is at an all time low.

With that said, I still expect him to be traded, and we'll be severely disappointed with the return.

The mistake that was made was not sending Baertschi down to Abby sooner.

I also think it's a bit premature to say Burke is going to trade Baertschi. Sending him down will give him a chance to get his confidence back, which is what I think Burke wants him to do. If he can't do that then he won't have much of a career anywhere in the NHL.

[jayswin]

Is New Era being serious, or is that just sarcasm?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by New Era

You may think horrible is over the top but he is really bad. Like Edmonton Oiler bad. If he was wearing an Oiler jersey we would be relishing in just how poorly he is playing and how another first round pick is rolling toward being a bust. He hasn't looked good any zone for any extended period of time. For supposedly believing he has what it takes to be the face of this franchise and a top talent in the NHL, he's been horrible.

I hope he gets his game back in Abby because he hasn't looked like a NHL player in any shape or form. He has set expectations that he has not even come remotely close to achieving. He hasn't displayed the talent to be a top six player and hasn't displayed the smarts to be a bottom six player. I don't see where he fits in the NHL right now.

This couldn't be more wrong.