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[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a prison bus? Wouldn't a prison bus be more heavily armed than your run of the mill school bus?

Oh and it was a really good episode of The Talking Dead after, very emotional from Scott Wilson (Herschel) and Lauren Cohen (Maggie). If you are one of the people who don't watch that yet you really should start.

Pots of earth, rounds bouncing of metal picnic table, etc

Even with that I really enjoyed the show. I am hoping that if the baby is dead they don't send Rick back down the rabbit hole of dispair.

I assume they would have identified an RV site for just this type of event. It is a pretty standard approach. Clearly they have thought about this possibility, hence the get away bus.

[RW99]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

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I really hope that isn't a comic book spoiler. Please keep that in the other thread.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

So the zombies are so frail that you can cave their head in with a simple kick, yet somehow Darryl is able to use one as a shield? I like that they're trying to tie back into the comics, but there were just too many holes in that episode for me. All the bad guys somehow forgetting that Rick is behind a bus, Michonne not taking the rifle from the guy she stomped and picking a few people off from behind, everyone on the Governor's team being such horrible shots, and the fact that they were so quick to follow this guy they just met into a massive armed assault

In the comics the prison attack (with tank) is done with the Woodbury group and it's much more believable. That group already trusts the Governor, and he works them up into a fear induced frenzy to attack the prison. But in the show it seemed like they wanted to take a different direction from the comics after season 3, only to change their minds and try to shoe-horn the attack in with a brand new group. It just seemed rushed

I thought that someone new took over the series this season? If so this makes sense, although it was rushed for sure and there were some sloppy holes, I think what the new guy wanted to do was tie the show back into the comics but not spend an entire season doing so. I for one like the fact they were able to accomplish this feat without stretching it over an entire season. Now this gives us a second half of them out in the open wandering around meeting new characters and new conflicts.

As a fan of the first half of the comics, I was very happy that they went back and fixed this huge error.

Of course if they didn't switch producers/directors/whatever they I don't understand the sudden change in heart about the prison.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

All in all, great 1/2 season IMO. Brought in and developed some new characters, decent action and I'm glad to see the group forced out of the prison (as far as plot development is concerned).

I liked what they did with the Governor for this season as well. Focused on his struggle to change and attempted to explain his rationale for his actions. You could tell he was making an effort to forget the past and move on. Someone already touched in it but at the end it basically came down to if he could/had changed or not and it obviously ended up being the latter. As evidenced by his irrational destruction of the prison even when given a chance to co-exist peacefully by Rick.

Should add, group is now out of the prison AND they lost their second moral compass in Herschel. First one being Dale. Should make things more interesting.

Couple pet peeves people have already touched on - frail zombies being used as bullet shields, the Governor's group so easily willing to follow his pretty obvious psychopathic lead, some of the shooting sequences, etc. My biggest one is the fireball grenades usually reserved for cheesy action movies haha.

But hey, it's a show about Zombies so I'm willing to forgive most of it

[DuffMan]

Why wouldn't the governor have killed Michonne?

and if I was Michonne watching the gov crawl away after she ran the sword through his back, I would've severed his spine or chopped off his legs, so he could live like a zombie forever, but not move.

Kind of dumb for the group with the tank to be blowing holes in the walls if they planned on living there.

Still good fun though.

[GreenLantern]

I watched part of the Talking Dead after and they talked about why Herschell was smiling right before his head got cut off. He was happy that all of his talks and all of his wisdom to Rick had paid off. It was clear that Rick was a different guy now and not driven by rage and had his conscious back. Rick's line about how everyone there had done unspeakable things to survive, but that they were all still alive right now and it could stay that way. I think that is the take home message that Herschel was so happy to hear. He brought Rick back and was happy for it.

[Stay Golden]

That was one of the best mid season finales for any show.
The final 5 min of payback by Ricks clan was outstanding. It was too bad the little girl was bitten but it made how everything unraveled for the Governor more vengeful for viewers. So glad that the writers had of all the characters Michone end that egomaniac.
I liked how his girlfriend put a bullet in him and that look of no remorse other than she regretted ever meeting him.
The little girls going Lara Croft on that women saving Tyreese was pretty bad ass.
Loved when Carl said - i could end this right now.

[djsFlames]

Haven't really been wowed by this show like some other shows that I've always considered superior or on another class, but this episode was probably one of the best MID season finales ever in terms of delivering the goods. Just excellent.

Some things were definitely a little too rushed prior to allow some things to really be feasible. The bonding of Brian and the new family, to the point where he was treating them like they were blood, as well as the camp of seemingly non violent survivors suddenly growing a giant pair despite witnessing such a brutal beheading (especially surprising when compared to the Woodbury bunch) and having no beef with the prison group beforehand.. Maybe the gov really rubbed off on them with his survival talk, who knows. But putting those little details aside it was really great.

I think the Gov wanted to save Michonne for his own doing as his issue with her was personal and knowing how sick he was, probably wanted to "savour" it. But the Herschell scene, the baby, the kids, the buried zombie, the freakin tank. Pretty intense. I was glued, and for some reason was as paranoid as Maggie about what was gonna happen despite not having much attachment to the characters beforehand. Well done TWD. Before this ep I wanted to see the Gov kept around for a good while as his character was fun, but I think we all learned to hate him again in about 20 seconds last night.

I like that the group is scattered now and without safety. It makes the whole survival part of the show more real. I bet Carol will show up on their travels, maybe she bumped into a new group. I just hope the bring in a couple new characters that are intriguing. Don't really care that much about following rick and carl around for the next 8 episodes.

[J Diddy]

So in the words of Brad Pitt "What's in the box?!"

I don't understand that whole scene between Bob (with a shoebox) and Sasha. Was the dissected rat in the box? I assume that was the only reason for the scene...to have us wonder what he had in that box because those two characters have never really interacted otherwise.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

So in the words of Brad Pitt "What's in the box?!"

I don't understand that whole scene between Bob (with a shoebox) and Sasha. Was the dissected rat in the box? I assume that was the only reason for the scene...to have us wonder what he had in that box because those two characters have never really interacted otherwise.

I thought it was just some booze that he was contemplating drinking. Although that's an interesting premise. If he turned out to be a psychopath, and the reason he's always the last one alive in his group was because he sickened them all with swine flu or something. The rat was interesting. Maybe the kids experimenting, or Bob trying to get a plague started.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

So in the words of Brad Pitt "What's in the box?!"

I don't understand that whole scene between Bob (with a shoebox) and Sasha. Was the dissected rat in the box? I assume that was the only reason for the scene...to have us wonder what he had in that box because those two characters have never really interacted otherwise.

Yeah bob is the rat boy!

[Flame On]

I was hoping Rick got his wish and the Gov' got turned into a zombie. But then I guess his new girl needed her pound of flesh.
I think there is an argument to be made on both sides of the coin. I.e. in that world you can either try to pull yourself up and stick together or the governor model in that being ruthless will stand you better. They almost took him down that path but in the end just made him be a psycho, or a victim of his past. I can't decide if that's a copout or an interesting query.
Oh and so po'd that Hershal is dead.

[habernac]

they should have let the zombies chow down on his one eyed ass.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by habernac

they should have let the zombies chow down on his one eyed ass.

Well I'm sure that's what she planned but stupid Lily had to ruin everything

[Goodlad]

Ok, I just finally got caught up on the show and I have to admit, the "mid-season" finale was awesome!

I was really getting worried that the antagonist for this season was going to be "the flu".
Realistic, yes.
Good TV, no.

And after reading through this thread a bit, yes there are TONS of plot holes, but the majority of them are plot saving holes. You could either deal with "six months later" every other episode, or deal with the occasional plot hole.

[Daradon]

Well, I'll admit my fears for this showdown were wrong. Although it still didn't make a ton of sense and was a bit of a replay of past plot, it was a damn good episode. Powerful and action packed.

Best of all we know we won't have those recyclced plots again. No more Govener, and no more prison.

Though if we see a farm anytime soon, I'm gonna have a cow.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Though if we see a farm anytime soon, I'm gonna have a cow.

Oh god not the farm. That's the low point of the series for me.

[ken0042]

So here is my question- is the Governor dead? We see he has a single stab wound- close to the heart but obviously not through the heart as he was able to crawl around a bit. Then we also see his new g/f point a gun at his head and shoot, but we don't see him actually die. We could find out in season 4.5 that he was about to be bit by a walker, and she shot the walker.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by ken0042

So here is my question- is the Governor dead? We see he has a single stab wound- close to the heart but obviously not through the heart as he was able to crawl around a bit. Then we also see his new g/f point a gun at his head and shoot, but we don't see him actually die. We could find out in season 4.5 that he was about to be bit by a walker, and she shot the walker.

On The Talking Dead they always do a In Memoriam (am I saying that right?) and The Governor was listed in it. I have only ever see them put confirmed dead people on it, however I have only watched a few of them so I could be wrong.

It is a neat thing to watch, but sometimes the actors take it a little too serious so I get uncomfortable and change it. I guess I am not an actor so I don't understand what you go through on a TV series, but the girl who plays Maggie was crying when she talked about losing the guy playing Herschel from the show.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by habernac

they should have let the zombies chow down on his one eyed ass.

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