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Ben_in_Canada · 12-01-2013, 10:19 PM

I liked that Lizzie was able to take the shot

She's a little bad ass, like Carl in S3

stang · 12-01-2013, 10:19 PM

Fake... It won't be episode 1

Edit: to Ben

Inglewood Jack · 12-01-2013, 10:34 PM

yay! now we get to read complaints about the next settlement being too boring until they leave it in 2015!

MoneyGuy · 12-01-2013, 10:37 PM

I wanted Hershel to be bitten so he could go out as Hershel Walker.

Ped · 12-01-2013, 10:41 PM

"Because they're not mine."

Great episode.

Radio · 12-01-2013, 10:48 PM

Great episode, that was the confrontation everyone was waiting for last season.

That battle was close to the comics.

Brutal death for Herschel...

Inglewood Jack · 12-01-2013, 10:58 PM

ok, sorry, some actual discussion points:

- so no resolution to the rat zombie food/gutted rat diorama mystery? well I guess that stopped mattering after tank shells started plowing through the walls

- at what point did the Gov's new group of people become bloodthirsty idiots? they'd known him for what feels like a week and up to that point he hadn't really done anything huge to earn their loyalty. his original Woodbury posse ran away from the prison like spooked rabbits at the first sign of trouble. if I were a member of this new group, I would have found it at least suspicious that this one eyed creep showed up and suddenly our long established leaders have disappeared. I guess miss pigtails was the only one with half a brain but too bad, now there won't be any hot girl on girl action for a while thanks to "Brian".

- I know we're not supposed to talk comics, but there the Gov dies during the prison tank assault as well. but he just gets shot. on the show he gets stabbed first which prolongs his agony a little, but I always feel like these supervillains need more of a gruesome demise than they're given. I would have preferred that he attempted to crawl away after the stabbing, only to have zombie Herschel's head latch onto his good eye.

- earthworm mud zombie was super cool. poor daughter was helpless/useless, but if you're gonna get eaten, make sure it's a special zombie that does the job.

darockwilder · 12-01-2013, 11:03 PM

Lizzie provided the greatest 'holy ####' moment since Zombie Sophia staggered out of the barn. My arms literally went above my head after

Spoiler!

Pretty amazing.

Hemi-Cuda · 12-01-2013, 11:11 PM

So the zombies are so frail that you can cave their head in with a simple kick, yet somehow Darryl is able to use one as a shield? I like that they're trying to tie back into the comics, but there were just too many holes in that episode for me. All the bad guys somehow forgetting that Rick is behind a bus, Michonne not taking the rifle from the guy she stomped and picking a few people off from behind, everyone on the Governor's team being such horrible shots, and the fact that they were so quick to follow this guy they just met into a massive armed assault

In the comics the prison attack (with tank) is done with the Woodbury group and it's much more believable. That group already trusts the Governor, and he works them up into a fear induced frenzy to attack the prison. But in the show it seemed like they wanted to take a different direction from the comics after season 3, only to change their minds and try to shoe-horn the attack in with a brand new group. It just seemed rushed

undercoverbrother · 12-01-2013, 11:30 PM

There were a number of surfaces tonight that should never have deflected bullets.

Hemi-Cuda · 12-01-2013, 11:36 PM

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There were a number of surfaces tonight that should never have deflected bullets.

Oh ya, I forgot about the bullet proof school bus (the one they drove off in). And why were Rick & Carl so completely sure that the baby was dead? There was no body, and the blood could have come from any number of sources. This episode just bugged me in so many different ways

Max Cow Disease · 12-02-2013, 12:09 AM

Don't forget the plastic planter pot things and small collection of foliage that seemed to prolong Tyreese's life for a half hour or so of automatic fire until he was saved by a couple of adolescent girls.

All in all, wondrous entertainment. I was pretty tensed up when the governor had the sword to Hershel's neck, and was as affected by his death as I was by Dale's. It was sort of ridiculous that the governor was able to win the support of all of these new people so quickly, especially considering his silent assassinations of their entire leadership group (including that one dude's brother...), but oh well.

This season sort of coasted along at idle speed, but just firmly and thoroughly trounced my balls. The graphic up above is pretty accurate. We're now left in utter anticipation for February.

trackercowe · 12-02-2013, 01:37 AM

Whew just happy Cuddy made it out alive. Can't be killing off characters for The Wire... no way. Already killing off castmembers from Oz, that's far enough for my liking!

Also I loved the episode. Had a much more epic scale to it that all of last seasons episodes, particularly the finalie. They definitely wanted to up the ante after last season's ho-hum ending.

Although I wish they gave us an idea of where they're heading in February. Seems like the group is splintered up into many parts; so I guess we'll have different episodes focusing on each of these new splintered up groups.

Poor Hershel though, surprised he survived the initial chop, and yet it didn't even matter in the end. After they said someone would die last week, you just knew it would be him. Sort of a shame though, since he was one of the better actors left.

doctajones428 · 12-02-2013, 03:45 AM

It feels like that battle should of been used as Season 3's finale. Hershel going down the way he did, Michonne getting her vengeance and the way Rick and Carl broke down really would of hit home for a season finale. I have a hard time believing that the Governors new "crew" would be willing to fight and kill the people they have no emotional involvement over what happened in Woodbury while the actual people from Woodbury, who lost people while fighting the "evil mean prison crew" would completely wimp out. Very puzzling route the writers took.

Regardless, it was easily the best episode of the season (that's really not saying much), it had lots of tension and some great shock value, but there was even more plot holes created from it, much like Season 4 in general.

I really hope the writers get a solid story going now that the Governor page has finally turned because this season has been downright painful to watch for the most part

Erick Estrada · 12-02-2013, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

So the zombies are so frail that you can cave their head in with a simple kick, yet somehow Darryl is able to use one as a shield? I like that they're trying to tie back into the comics, but there were just too many holes in that episode for me. All the bad guys somehow forgetting that Rick is behind a bus, Michonne not taking the rifle from the guy she stomped and picking a few people off from behind, everyone on the Governor's team being such horrible shots, and the fact that they were so quick to follow this guy they just met into a massive armed assault

In the comics the prison attack (with tank) is done with the Woodbury group and it's much more believable. That group already trusts the Governor, and he works them up into a fear induced frenzy to attack the prison. But in the show it seemed like they wanted to take a different direction from the comics after season 3, only to change their minds and try to shoe-horn the attack in with a brand new group. It just seemed rushed

I have to agree. That episode was a prime example of the best and worst of the show. Great when it's in high gear with zombie and gun action and bad when it's just plain silly that a group of people that just met a guy would follow him to death. Really? The guy shows up at their camp and mysteriously their leaders Martinez and Pete disappear and nobody questions that that it could be him and not only that but they then turn into bloodthirsty killers for him? It was just too much rushed too quickly and the show would have been better off not bothering with the boring flue story for all those episodes and starting with the governor side story and fleshing that out more as to me it was half a season condensed into a few episodes.

The way his girlfriend comes out (not even going to bother asking how she knew where the prison was) with the girl in her arms during the gun fight and he just grabs the kid and shoots her in the head was ridiculously silly. Also can anyone explain during a zombie attack would just leave a baby all alone on the street? She was obviously in the care of people and I don't see how they could just forget her or leave her right in the open.

I know some people think this is maybe overly critical but I can't be the only person shaking their head in disbelief at times while watching this show?

Hockeyguy15 · 12-02-2013, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Oh ya, I forgot about the bullet proof school bus (the one they drove off in). And why were Rick & Carl so completely sure that the baby was dead? There was no body, and the blood could have come from any number of sources. This episode just bugged me in so many different ways

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a prison bus? Wouldn't a prison bus be more heavily armed than your run of the mill school bus?

Oh and it was a really good episode of The Talking Dead after, very emotional from Scott Wilson (Herschel) and Lauren Cohen (Maggie). If you are one of the people who don't watch that yet you really should start.

Hockeyguy15 · 12-02-2013, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The way his girlfriend comes out (not even going to bother asking how she knew where the prison was) with the girl in her arms during the gun fight and he just grabs the kid and shoots her in the head was ridiculously silly. Also can anyone explain during a zombie attack would just leave a baby all alone on the street? She was obviously in the care of people and I don't see how they could just forget her or leave her right in the open.

He circled the prison on a map, I believe in the episode before it (the showed it in the previously on The Walking Dead clip at the start of the show). The children were carrying her to the bus when Lizzie said they needed to do something, children obviously don't have the same common sense as adults. They probably left her somewhere they thought was safe enough at the time, but then the walkers started to take over the prison.

Hemi-Cuda · 12-02-2013, 08:06 AM

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All the plot holes, you just need to dig down and ignore them. Its hard to do time after time after time, but you gotta do it. Ignorance is bliss when it comes to this show. Its like eating at Mcdonalds, just ignore the pangs of guilt and grease and enjoy.

That's the only reason I've gotten this far. It just bugs me that the series can do so many things right, yet so many others wrong. The way they treated Shane in the show is so much better than in the comics (a slow burn to crazy instead of quickly snapping), everything they've done with the Darryl character has been great (who doesn't even exist in the books), and zombie Sofia walking out of the barn to get gunned down by Rick is one of the best scenes from any TV series period

For me the show works best when it takes the source material as a loose inspiration, but it seems like this season they had a direction they wanted to go and then abandoned it for whatever reason to get the Governor and his battle scene in there. And the whole battle looked like a bad B movie, right down to the horribly cheesy acting job by Rick and Carl finding the empty baby carrier (the kid who plays Carl has no range). It's just such a frustrating show to watch because while it's not bad, you know it could be so much better

Erick Estrada · 12-02-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

He circled the prison on a map, I believe in the episode before it (the showed it in the previously on The Walking Dead clip at the start of the show). The children were carrying her to the bus when Lizzie said they needed to do something, children obviously don't have the same common sense as adults. They probably left her somewhere they thought was safe enough at the time, but then the walkers started to take over the prison.

I think most of us realize the baby is probably alive and on the bus and that the carrier was left for lasting shock until February. It's not like the writers of this show are hard to read as we all knew Hershel was going to die this episode by the way they kept focusing the camera on him.

Hockeyguy15 · 12-02-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think most of us realize the baby is probably alive and on the bus and that the carrier was left for lasting shock until February. It's not like the writers of this show are hard to read as we all knew Hershel was going to die this episode by the way they kept focusing the camera on him.

I hope she isn't alive, she has no reason for being on the show. It's like they just didn't want to have the backlash of killing off a baby like they did in the comic, and now they are stuck with her.