[Trade] Flames Acquire Lane MacDermid from Dallas

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Abbotsford has a toughness issue. They've got skill for days right now, but they don't have anyone who can protect teammates. Ferland can protect his teammates, but you don't want a guy like him to sit in the box for 5 minutes the way he's playing.

We'll see how this trade turns out, but as far as I'm concerned it was a much needed trade for the farm.

Can't you just sign a plug out of the ECHL if that is what you really needed? No sense in trading a draft pick for one.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Can't you just sign a plug out of the ECHL if that is what you really needed? No sense in trading a draft pick for one.

MD can play at AHL level and could be part of organization long term.

[PeteMoss]

Again.. from someone who's actually watched the guy play - he is not a MacGratton 2 shift a game type guy. He's an energy player along the line of Lance Bouma/Brandon Prust. He ended up on the Bruins who have about 15 of those guys so he didn't get a shot. He's obviously never going to be a star... but he could be an effective 4th liner in the NHL, wouldn't shock me to see him up at some point this year.

[sureLoss]

Scouting report for MacDermid:
http://www.defendingbigd.com/2013/4/...the-jagr-trade

Lane Macdermid is a guy who in Providence was known for being part of the self-proclaimed "buzzsaw line" with Bobby Robins and Christian Hanson. They were a defensively solid line that played third/fourth line minutes for the most part; Providence coach Bruce Cassidy would often deploy them after the other team scored to get the P-Bruins' "energy" going. And frequently it worked pretty well. MacDermid's known more for his fighting skills than his scoring prowess; his lone NHL accomplishments in eight games are three fights - no points - but he's fairly good in his own end of the ice, his skating is decent, and he could potentially be groomed into a good defensive forward in the NHL.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Can't you just sign a plug out of the ECHL if that is what you really needed? No sense in trading a draft pick for one.

He has played in the NHL. Admittedly not well, but there is a huge difference between an ECHL enforcer and a borderline NHL enforcer. He is more than capable of taking a regular shift in the AHL.

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

I don't see what the big deal is.

Instead of waiting 4 years and hoping who we drafted in the 6th round develops into a comparable or better player than McDermid, we got McDermid

It's not that simple. Brossoit was a sixth rounder.

[herashak]

Still dont get why we would even give up a 7th for him rather try and get another brossoit or ortio

[strombad]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

It's not that simple. Brossoit was a sixth rounder.

And?

We just traded Brossoit and Horak for a bottom pairing NHL defenceman.

A goalie that might never make the NHL compared to a player that might never stick in the NHL. Seems pretty simple to me.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by kehatch

A rough estimate is that you have about a 5% chance of getting an impact NHL player (not star) in those rounds.

Some back-of-the-napkin calculations:

Between 1996 and 2005, 1800 players were selected in rounds 4-9. Of those 239 (13%) went on to play 100 or more games in the NHL. Of those 239, exactly 100 (5.5% of 1800) have scored 100 or more points, and 10 (0.5%) have contributed more than 400 points.

Of these players, 19 (8% of 239, 1% of 1800) were goaltenders.

Two of the players were legitimate stars, Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Beyond that I'm not doing the probabilities of drafting X kind of player, but there's the basic value of a 4th-9th round pick: every year you're reasonably likely to get a player of the quality of Chris Butler.

[Enoch Root]

^ that more or less coincides with other numbers I have seen for later rounds. But I would like to point out 2 things:

1) the 400 point criterian somewhat ignores defensemen - there really needs to be 2 sets of 'star' criteria, one for forwards and one for D.

2) I don't have anything to support this, but I am pretty confident in saying that, over time, drafts continually get deeper as there are simply more talented kids than in the past. I think it is safe to say that the 150 - 200 range in current drafts would have more talented kids than it did 20 years ago.

That means that drafts in the 90s (and certainly in the 80s) probably don't represent current drafts all that well.

Nonetheless, those numbers illustrate roughly what you're looking at with late picks.

Spending one to fill a need shouldn't be considered a problem. But also, the more you have, the better your chances of success.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He has played in the NHL. Admittedly not well, but there is a huge difference between an ECHL enforcer and a borderline NHL enforcer. He is more than capable of taking a regular shift in the AHL.

We traded a 5th rounder for one of those guys a while back too - they're a dime a dozen type guys who can be picked up pretty frequently for free. What is PL3 doing?

If the goal is just to improve the AHL team, then this need should have been addressed in the off season for free.

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

We traded a 5th rounder for one of those guys a while back too - they're a dime a dozen type guys who can be picked up pretty frequently for free. What is PL3 doing?

If the goal is just to improve the AHL team, then this need should have been addressed in the off season for free.

Flames didn't pick him up to improve the 1st place AHL team, they picked him up to protect the 1st place AHL team. The team lacked an enforcer type and are trying to mirror the Flames as much as possible. For a measly 6th round pick, this is a good move.

[steveo]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

We traded a 5th rounder for one of those guys a while back too - they're a dime a dozen type guys who can be picked up pretty frequently for free. What is PL3 doing?

If the goal is just to improve the AHL team, then this need should have been addressed in the off season for free.

ya and they drafted this guy, what is he doing?

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

2) I don't have anything to support this, but I am pretty confident in saying that, over time, drafts continually get deeper as there are simply more talented kids than in the past. I think it is safe to say that the 150 - 200 range in current drafts would have more talented kids than it did 20 years ago.

That means that drafts in the 90s (and certainly in the 80s) probably don't represent current drafts all that well.

There is remarkable little overall change in the number of players who exceed 100 NHL games between 1996 and 2005. Those are somewhat arbitrary dates, but I chose 2005 as a cut-off as it seemed reasonable to expect that anyone drafted in 2005 who is going to make the 100 game mark, will have made it by now. The average was 23.9 players.

In the 1994 draft, 24 players taken in rounds 4-9 broke 100 games. In 2005 it was 22. The three 'weakest' drafts were 99 (19), 2000 (18), and 02 (19). Interestingly that seeming run of weak drafts was bookended by and itself surrounded the 'deepest' drafts of 98 (28), 01 (31), and 03 (29).

It is worth pointing out that no late-round player selected since 2000 has broken the 400 point mark.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by driveway

It is worth pointing out that no late-round player selected since 2000 has broken the 400 point mark.

? Datsyuk and Zetterberg

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Flames didn't pick him up to improve the 1st place AHL team, they picked him up to protect the 1st place AHL team. The team lacked an enforcer type and are trying to mirror the Flames as much as possible. For a measly 6th round pick, this is a good move.

Good call!

People overvalue late round picks. They are so easy to reacquire. It shouldn't be so bothersome to everyone when they are dealt. Especially since Feaster has shown he likes to recoup picks.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

? Datsyuk and Zetterberg

Datsyuk was drafted in 1998 and Zetterberg in 1999.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by driveway

Datsyuk was drafted in 1998 and Zetterberg in 1999.

Holy f&@$ I'm old. Nevermind