[PGT] Flames lose 2-1 in OT

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

The real problem with the Flames is still Jay Feaster. He's just not a good manager or GM. Just look at his latest trade in acquiring Ladislav Smid..

Can you explain why that's a poor trade and why it's so bad it highlights why Feaster is a bad GM?

[FBI]

Hmm you are part of the 1% that didn't like that trade.

Originally Posted by JobHopper

Rather flat game but the third period was better.

Good save there by Reto Berra to keep the Flames in it and basically got a point for the team on his own.

Good goal by Joe Colborne, the guy trys hard at least. Same with Lee Stempniak. If those guys are your most consistent guys every night you know you may have a problem.

You're not going to win many games in any league if you only score 1 goal.

The real problem with the Flames is still Jay Feaster. He's just not a good manager or GM. Just look at his latest trade in acquiring Ladislav Smid.

You have to wonder if that's the best he could get for the 2 prospects that he gave up and makes you wonder if any other GMs actually want to deal with him even.

Things could get a lot worse though if some even minor changes to this lineup aren't made soon.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by jg13

That trade was Feasters most obvious win since he took over as GM.

I liked the Smid trade a lot, but Russell for a 5th round pick was by far the best trade Feaster has made.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by AC

Wow, that's crazy. Wonder why he decided to attempt to save it with pad instead of his blocker/stick.

[JobHopper]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Can you explain why that's a poor trade and why it's so bad it highlights why Feaster is a bad GM?

I take it you must be a new fan that hasn't watched to many games this season.

Let's face it if it wasn't for Sean Monahan, Feaster would more than likely be fired by now. He wouldn't have even picked Sean had the Flames picked higher in the draft.

So that's one example right there that shows how Jay manages, on hope and luck basically.

Ladislav Smid is nothing special let's not kid ourselves. Will he be on the team next year?

For the guys we gave up we should have gotten back a physical forward at least or someone that can put the puck in the net.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Want some more whine with that cheese? Is there a constant stream of piss in your cornflakes? You always sound like a bitter old man.

I never really get tired of pot-kettle-black scenarios.

Aside from that funny comment, you're not entirely wrong, but it's not quite as absolute as you make it out to be.

Hartley is not costing us games. His systems are certainly making us more defensively suspect, but it's at the cost of improved tempo and effort. Nobody can deny that despite the absolute stinker now and then, this team is still pretty exciting and fun to watch. We've run into trouble when up against teams that have the ability to shut down our offensive game because our team isn't very good.

Hartley implements a higher risk system than we are used to seeing. With our fairly poor defense, it's much more likely the risk doesn't pay off. We could have Tippet here, or bring Sutter back, and you know what would happen? We wouldn't score. This team isn't good enough to be naturally productive, we need to take risks and hope they pay off. It's a run and gun style, I know a lot of people were hoping for this team to get into a more exciting brand of hockey, but that simply means we are going to get shut down now and then.

If you'd rather us play like Phoenix, then complain until you're blue in the face. Otherwise just relax. There isn't a coach in the NHL that could get the same amount of goal production WITH a sound defensive system out of this squad. Sorry chum, we're not a good enough team for that.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

The real problem with the Flames is still Jay Feaster. He's just not a good manager or GM. Just look at his latest trade in acquiring Ladislav Smid.

You have to wonder if that's the best he could get for the 2 prospects that he gave up and makes you wonder if any other GMs actually want to deal with him even.

Just curious as to what you think they (Horak and Brossoit) were worth then?
Name a player or players that would be fair trade value?

[JobHopper]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Just curious as to what you think they (Horak and Brossoit) were worth then?
Name a player or players that would be fair trade value?

I don't know, Cam Fowler or Cody Fransen on D or even Loui Eriksson from the Bruins. There's lots of better players out there that can improve the Flames right away if you add them to the lineup.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by strombad

I never really get tired of pot-kettle-black scenarios.

Aside from that funny comment, you're not entirely wrong, but it's not quite as absolute as you make it out to be.

Hartley is not costing us games. His systems are certainly making us more defensively suspect, but it's at the cost of improved tempo and effort. Nobody can deny that despite the absolute stinker now and then, this team is still pretty exciting and fun to watch. We've run into trouble when up against teams that have the ability to shut down our offensive game because our team isn't very good.

Hartley implements a higher risk system than we are used to seeing. With our fairly poor defense, it's much more likely the risk doesn't pay off. We could have Tippet here, or bring Sutter back, and you know what would happen? We wouldn't score. This team isn't good enough to be naturally productive, we need to take risks and hope they pay off. It's a run and gun style, I know a lot of people were hoping for this team to get into a more exciting brand of hockey, but that simply means we are going to get shut down now and then.

If you'd rather us play like Phoenix, then complain until you're blue in the face. Otherwise just relax. There isn't a coach in the NHL that could get the same amount of goal production WITH a sound defensive system out of this squad. Sorry chum, we're not a good enough team for that.

"Fun to watch" isn't having 7 wins in the first 22 games. I'd rather win games while playing the trap then lose a game and constantly give up 4 or more goals.

is this exciting for Flame fans? Not knowing how to play defence is exciting? We are the softest team in the NHL and that isn't exciting to me. Even when we win we play horrid defence.

So laugh at Edmonton all you want about their defensive woes but look at this team and don't make excuses because our defence is now rated last in the league. That is at least partially the coaches's fault. Or do you believe our team just has terrible luck in goaltending? Because Kipper's stats last year were also bad under Hartley. That's not the goalies that's the system.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

I take it you must be a new fan that hasn't watched to many games this season.

That's very true, I appreciate your patience in dealing with me.

Ladislav Smid is nothing special let's not kid ourselves. Will he be on the team next year?

Ladislav Smid is nothing special, I like him less then most on this board minus maybe moon but the guys we gave up are probably even less special. As a new fan I might be missing something Smid seems like a decent depth defensemen.

He'll most certainly be on the team next year, probably the next 2-3.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

I take it you must be a new fan that hasn't watched to many games this season.

JobHopper Join date: Aug 2013
MrMastodonFarm Join Date: Oct 2001

Just thought that was funny considering that comment. I assume JobHopper is one of these guys who gets banned and reinvents himself every few months.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

I don't know, Cam Fowler or Cody Fransen on D or even Loui Eriksson from the Bruins. There's lots of better players out there that can improve the Flames right away if you add them to the lineup.

HAHAHHAHA

You can't be serious?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

I don't know, Cam Fowler or Cody Fransen on D or even Loui Eriksson from the Bruins. There's lots of better players out there that can improve the Flames right away if you add them to the lineup.

Cam Fowler for Roman Horak and Broissoit?

Good luck buddy.

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

I don't know, Cam Fowler or Cody Fransen on D or even Loui Eriksson from the Bruins. There's lots of better players out there that can improve the Flames right away if you add them to the lineup.

Yes, Horak (so far a career AHLer), and Brossoit (a completely unproven goaltending prospect) could land us a premier defenseman in those 3 you mentioned.

Give the Flames a call...if this is an example of what you could do, you could turn the Flames into a dynasty by season's end!

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

I don't know, Cam Fowler or Cody Fransen on D or even Loui Eriksson from the Bruins. There's lots of better players out there that can improve the Flames right away if you add them to the lineup.

You're out to lunch if you think Horak and Brossiot are worth any of those players.

[JobHopper]

Originally Posted by FBI

Hmm you are part of the 1% that didn't like that trade.

When the Flames first got him, people were saying that he gets into scrums after the whistle. They were right, he does do that but I don't like it.

I would much rather see him throw a big hit during the play. That's what the Flames have been missing, that physical presence.

Why hasn't Jay Feaster filled that role, that's what I'm talking about.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

When the Flames first got him, people were saying that he gets into scrums after the whistle. They were right, he does do that but I don't like it.

I would much rather see him throw a big hit during the play. That's what the Flames have been missing, that physical presence.

Why hasn't Jay Feaster filled that role, that's what I'm talking about.

EA Sports making a wonderful yearly fantasy game that you might be interested in.

[JobHopper]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

You're out to lunch if you think Horak and Brossiot are worth any of those players.

Of course you have to give a little something more but it shows that Feaster isn't really serious about improving the team.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

"Fun to watch" isn't having 7 wins in the first 22 games. I'd rather win games while playing the trap then lose a game and constantly give up 4 or more goals.

is this exciting for Flame fans? Not knowing how to play defence is exciting? We are the softest team in the NHL and that isn't exciting to me. Even when we win we play horrid defence.

So laugh at Edmonton all you want about their defensive woes but look at this team and don't make excuses because our defence is now rated last in the league. That is at least partially the coaches's fault. Or do you believe our team just has terrible luck in goaltending? Because Kipper's stats last year were also bad under Hartley. That's not the goalies that's the system.

Again, it's a mix. You're too focused on what it must be to realise what it is. Edmonton is funny because they have a significantly more talented team than we do, and if they played a responsible defensive game then they would still be able to score. Us? We have one of the least talented rosters in the NHL.

But hey, if you're into watching Phoenix Coyotes hockey, then good for you. I'm a realist, this is a rebuild, I'm cool with dropping games as long as they are fun to watch. There have been some games where that isn't the case, but I've enjoyed most games.

I suppose people like yourself forget that hockey is entertainment. So go be bored out of your mind watching Phoenix win if that's what does it for you.

To me, that kind of hockey is like the missionary position. It'll get you there, but it's not much of a ride. I guess it's Vanilla icecream and turtlenecks for you, all in the name of that W.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

Of course you have to give a little something more but it shows that Feaster isn't really serious about improving the team.