10-29-2013, 11:11 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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I don't care where he plays as long as it's not here.
You need good defensive defensemen to win championships, and between him and Wideman, I'd take Wideman every day of the week. Actually, in all aspects of their games I'd take Wideman.
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10-29-2013, 11:12 AM
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#22
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Powerplay Quarterback
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all my leaf buddies are screaming "NOOOOOOOO we don't want him back!!!" haha
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10-29-2013, 11:15 AM
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#23
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by _Q_
Phaneuf might be the worst "top pairing" defenceman in the league. Anything more than 4 mil per year is over payment in my opinion.
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More then that... but not much more. Wideman got 5.25M per for 5 years and I don't think Phaneaf is that much better then Wideman (If even at all).
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10-29-2013, 11:16 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Burke's foolishness lead to this. Name a guy captain and you're legitimizing their leadership qualities as essential for your team's success. That's worth as much as numbers are.
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10-29-2013, 11:16 AM
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#25
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Caged Great
I don't care where he plays as long as it's not here.
You need good defensive defensemen to win championships, and between him and Wideman, I'd take Wideman every day of the week. Actually, in all aspects of their games I'd take Wideman.
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At the same cap I would take Phaneuf over Wideman 9 times out of 10
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10-29-2013, 11:22 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto
Well I called it the day the lockout ended and I'll say it again. Players win.
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Well that was obvious, the owners caved on everything. Very different from the previous lockout.
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10-29-2013, 11:36 AM
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#27
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallex
More then that... but not much more. Wideman got 5.25M per for 5 years and I don't think Phaneaf is that much better then Wideman (If even at all).
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Well Wideman was a UFA and is a better player over all.
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10-29-2013, 11:48 AM
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#28
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto
Well I called it the day the lockout ended and I'll say it again. TOP Players win. Again. Nice work Bettman. I see a 55 million dollar cap floor next season.
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FYP.
The top 2 tiers of players are the ones reaping the benefits from this. The big name guys are getting huge, unsustainable deals and guys like Hudler getting 4-6 million, but the guys at the lower end (the ones who this money should actually be allocated to since they are the ones making the least while staying in the league for the least amount of time) are seeing their value decrease. When teams spend 1/4 of their salary cap on 2-3 players, how can they afford to pay their bottom guys (who are just as important to team success) what they're worth?
It's bad asset management to give these big deals IMO. You may think you're holding onto a star player, but does anyone really expect Parise or Suter to play like 7+ mil players for over a decade? Especially when their already halways through their prime? It makes no sense. And if guys like Suter can't hold that up, does anyone really expect Phaneuf to play at that level for the next 7 years? Does anyone think he's actually worth that TODAY, much less 7 years from now?
Guys like Widemen and Giordano (amongst a plethora of good but "no name" defensemen across the league) bring exactly what Phaneuf can bring and more for less dough.
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10-29-2013, 11:50 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cheerio
At the same cap I would take Phaneuf over Wideman 9 times out of 10
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But you're not going to get that, are you? CG is right, Wideman makes Phaneuf redundant on this roster.
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10-29-2013, 11:57 AM
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#30
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Elbows Up!!
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As a Flames fan, hoping that the Leafs get this deal done fast!
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10-29-2013, 12:02 PM
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#31
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Lifetime Suspension
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Phaneuf is actually looking really good early in this season. Looks like a real #1 Defenceman.
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10-29-2013, 12:09 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinordi
Phaneuf is actually looking really good early in this season. Looks like a real #1 Defenceman.
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He's looked like a #1 defenseman for 2+ years now. Maybe longer when you think about that calf laceration that put him out for an extended period.
Clearly we hate him and can debate his value all we want, but he has been a #1 D in this league for a long time now.
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10-29-2013, 12:10 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _Q_
Phaneuf might be the worst "top pairing" defenceman in the league. Anything more than 4 mil per year is over payment in my opinion.
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I hope for your sake you forgot the green text?
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10-29-2013, 12:12 PM
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#34
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Calgary
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Not sure why this would be a number that people don't expect
Right in line with market value going forward, keep in mind cap is increasing
Is he worth it? Probably not
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10-29-2013, 12:27 PM
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#35
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
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It's the Klowe gift that keeps giving!
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10-29-2013, 12:43 PM
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#36
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I hope for your sake you forgot the green text?
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No I haven't. I watch the Leafs almost as much as the Flames (brother's a Leafs fan). He's a brutal hockey player.
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10-29-2013, 12:48 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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i don't know how you guys are assessing dions play - i mean, the leafs, are rarely on TV in these parts. You can't just watch the tSN highlight reel and decide this guy is worth $X and that guy is worth $Y.....you need to see them a lot, before making a propoer valuation.
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10-29-2013, 12:57 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Northendzone
i don't know how you guys are assessing dions play - i mean, the leafs, are rarely on TV in these parts. You can't just watch the tSN highlight reel and decide this guy is worth $X and that guy is worth $Y.....you need to see them a lot, before making a propoer valuation.
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His play in front of the net in the game when the Bruins beat out the Leafs last year is enough to knock off at least 1 mil/year for me.
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10-29-2013, 12:58 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _Q_
No I haven't. I watch the Leafs almost as much as the Flames (brother's a Leafs fan). He's a brutal hockey player.
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One of the stupidest things I've read in the past few weeks.
Unless if by "brutal" you actually meant one the best at his position in the world, if that's the case, we're definatley on the same page.
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10-29-2013, 01:02 PM
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#40
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Neither here nor there
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Northendzone
i don't know how you guys are assessing dions play - i mean, the leafs, are rarely on TV in these parts. You can't just watch the tSN highlight reel and decide this guy is worth $X and that guy is worth $Y.....you need to see them a lot, before making a propoer valuation.
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I'm not sure I would call every Saturday + a TSN game sprinkled in here and there as "rarely"
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