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getbak · 10-23-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I think playing top minutes in a medal game against Russia or the USA would be a better learning experience for a young player than game 42 of the NHL schedule against the Minnesota Wild. Development is not all about the quality of the opposition - it's about being put into different roles and facing different situations.

If it was as simple as giving him up for one game to play in a gold medal game, it would be an easy choice.

Releasing him for the World Juniors means losing him for nearly a month. If the Team Canada camp starts on December 15 and Canada plays in the Gold Medal game, he'd be gone for 12 games (almost 15% of the season). In those 12 games, the Flames play some of the top teams in the NHL: road games in Boston, Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Colorado; and home games against St Louis and Vancouver. Plus, there's a battle of Alberta game after Christmas, which should be intense regardless of how bad both teams are; and New Year's Eve against the Flyers.

At the World Juniors, Canada will play a maximum of 7 games, including preliminary round games against Germany, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and the USA. Then, there's the quarter-final, semi-final, and finals (or bronze medal game, if they lose the semi). Of the 7, only 3 or 4 are likely to be high-calibre intense games.

Calgary4LIfe · 10-23-2013, 05:25 PM

There are pros and cons of sending Monahan to the WJCs.

Pros:
- HOPEFULLY something else he 'wins' (gold) that goes on his record. Playing on the 67's and then a rebuilding Calgary team is tough, so it would be a different experience playing for a favorite and possibly winning gold. Just another thing he wins (like Calder, Stanley Cup, Olympic Gold, WCs, etc).

- Learning experience playing a different system, with different players.

- Will probably be leaned on as a vet, so will be expected to bring leadership to the team, rather than his situation in Calgary.

- You can be sure that although the NHL is of course Monahan's ultimate goal (and winning the cup, obviously), every fan loves to watch the WJC U20, and hockey players growing up are no different. Would still be quite the experience going over to a different country and representing Canada.

Cons:
- Might risk losing out on the Calder (though, only if he is still in the race at the time)

- Takes away some additional NHL experience and adjustment to the grind that is the NHL monster.

- Time away from developing additional chemistry with guys like Baertschi.

- Time away from growing in the 'room' so to speak - according to Backlund(? I think it was him) stating that the room is the best it has ever been.

You can build a solid argument either way. I am not sure that the WJCs are a 'slower' game than an NHL game - I think it is a very fast game (except for some of the preliminary games against the less-talented squads that Canada and the other powerhouses just run over). It is a high-tempo game that is played, and that is why it makes it fun to watch. Of course the quality of competition is NOT going to be anywhere close to an NHL squad, but it is quite the step up from a regular junior game anyways.

I wonder what the decision will be based around. Purely on how the Flames are doing in the standings? How Monahan is doing? Probably a combination. Either way, as much as a fan I am and would love to see him competing in the WJCs, I will be just as happy watching him develop and perhaps make a run at the Calder (and/or help Baertschi to the Calder, and watch those two develop better chemistry).

I will be happy with either decision at this point. I do think there is value in the WJCs - it is not that important, but Feaster would not be considering it at all (and other NHL squads would never have released players in the past) if there was no value in it.

irrevocable · 10-23-2013, 05:26 PM

Monahan (on staying with billets throughout his first NHL season): "I'll do whatever the team asks of me."

Yep. He's a keeper.

Dion · 10-23-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Regulator75

Just because.

Lets not forget the CP reaction to this great piece of news

Bourque's Twin · 10-23-2013, 05:29 PM

The decision about Monahan being on the WJ team will be based on the Flames' standings.

irrevocable · 10-23-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

The decision about Monahan being on the WJ team will be based on the Flames' standings.

It had better not be! It's all about what makes Sean a better NHL'er.

JobHopper · 10-23-2013, 05:38 PM

Congratulations Sean Monahan or Monolith as I like to call him cause he's rock solid.

Wolfman · 10-23-2013, 05:48 PM

Good news, and good for Monahan. Didn't have anything to prove in junior other than maybe a Mem Cup. He will learn more where he is and will continue to impress as this season goes on. Hope by the end he is in the running for Calder race. Good decision by the team.

Geeoff · 10-23-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

The press release is the funny part...

Do the Flames just not understand how shooting percentage works? It'd be fantastic if he was scoring goals and shooting 10% or something. At 28+%, you're basically bragging about the fact that his production is doomed to slow by half as a best case scenario if he's lucky.

I think you need to stay off HFBoards. Only on that site, can you downplay entire good seasons with a high shooting %.

Enoch Root · 10-23-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Okay, yes, this is true. However, in this case, it's a bit ridiculous. In order to score at the same rate but with a shooting percentage of 14% (i.e. top 50 in the NHL territory), he would need to shoot more than twice as much. Do you think that more than doubling his shot output is at all likely? Do you think it's at all likely it'll increase by anything CLOSE to that amount?

If so, I would note that Monahan's getting 8.1 shots per 60 minutes of ice time. That places him 76th in the NHL. Doubling his current rate would basically make him Alex Ovechkin. Even assuming he were to jump up around 10-11, a 40% increase in shot rate, would not come close to making up for a drop in shooting percentage that is basically certain.

I guess my point is that when your SH% is that high and you have no record of being anywhere close to that you're basically waving a red flag that your current production isn't remotely likely to continue. I mean, if it was Stamkos doing it you'd think "Okay, that's still pretty high but it's Stammer so it's not totally anomalous". For a rookie? If you're not wearing rose coloured glasses you know exactly what the safe bet is as far as how this story ends.

Where to start?...

First of all, no one - NO ONE - has suggested he will continue to score at a 60 goal pace.

But more specifically to your post, using shots per 60 minutes of ice-time is a mistake to your argument because it assumes that his ice-time per game will remain constant.

He can get more shots by improving his shot per minute rate (as you suggested) but he can also improve his shot total by getting more ice-time.

Also, your choice of 14% is somewhat arbitrary. It may be that, due to his style of going to the front of the net, that he plays at closer to 20% (or whatever).

Just with those variables alone being slightly modified, we could see:

1) increased ice-time resulting in more shots (say from under 16 to 18 minutes)
2) increased shots per 60 minutes (say from 8 to 10 - 3 shots per game at 18 minutes)
3) a SH% of 20%

Using those numbers would equate to 49 goals.

I AM NOT SAYING I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN, BECAUSE I DON'T.

Just illustrating that it isn't as black and white as you are attempting to imply.

Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2013, 06:01 PM

Stupid history keeps making me pessimistic about this...

TjRhythmic · 10-23-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Stupid history keeps making me pessimistic about this...

If you focus on the past your destined to repeat it. Best to keep looking forward

I'm not worried as this is a new team, new management, new philosophy. It's a new team.

Everything is going to be great with this kid and the team moving forward... It helps to be an overly optimistic person as well

Heavy Jack · 10-23-2013, 07:07 PM

I'm about as happy as a Monahan on Flames team.

Seriously, this franchise just took a massive step forward with this signing. Let Monahan and Sven develop there chemistry for a whole year and with even more young talent coming through next year I think the Flames can be on their way to contending for the playoffs as well as in them sooner than anyone would have predicted.... Especially Edmonton lol.

Gord Wappel · 10-23-2013, 07:10 PM

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If you focus on the past your destined to repeat it.

I think the saying goes .. if you ignore history you are destined to repeat it.

oh yeah, I forgot, You are ignoring what the saying used to be.

dissentowner · 10-23-2013, 07:11 PM

Hey mods, can we get a poll on the WJC debate? Would be interesting.

edn88 · 10-23-2013, 07:19 PM

I think that his best development opportunities lie in the NHL.

CsInMyBlood · 10-23-2013, 07:30 PM

Great news and congrats to Monahan, he made it impossible to send him down.

This kid deserves all the praise he receives.

Drury18 · 10-23-2013, 08:12 PM

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...6620&catid=597

Well, I guess we know now how Glenny keeps his job here:

handgroen · 10-23-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Drury18

Well, I guess we know now how Glenny keeps his job here:

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...6620&catid=597

well they sure look to be having fun don't they?
also mcgratten looks scary as hell

StrykerSteve · 10-23-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Drury18

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...6620&catid=597

Well, I guess we know now how Glenny keeps his job here:

That's not Glenny, that's Wideman.