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good results for United today. Despite their horrible start to the season, they're only 3 behind City and Tottenham, 4 behind Chelsea and 6 behind Arsenal and Liverpool. That's not that bad.
crazy how fast a top team can turn into a laughing stock. Brutal.
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good results for United today. Despite their horrible start to the season, they're only 3 behind City and Tottenham, 4 behind Chelsea and 6 behind Arsenal and Liverpool. That's not that bad.
Crazy how fast opinions can change.
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haha no. Our start to the season has still been brutal, I was just surprised when I saw the table today and saw that it's "only" 6 points to the top. Thought it would already be more, that's all.
Hopefully 9th place is exactly what David Moyes is comfortable with. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I certainly don't think it will be a sudden crazy fall out of the top 6, or even top 4 for United. I do think that Moyes was a very wrong appointment for them, though. The hierarchy at Old Trafford seemingly decided that stability in the manager's position was the most important thing. I don't think the combination of stability and success under Ferguson is something that's easy to achieve, and I definitely do not think that Moyes is up to the task. He's in quite over his head. Not much different from Hodgson at Liverpool.
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The hierarchy at Old Trafford seemingly decided that stability in the manager's position was the most important thing.
Well ... isn't it?
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I don't think the combination of stability and success under Ferguson is something that's easy to achieve, and I definitely do not think that Moyes is up to the task. He's in quite over his head. Not much different from Hodgson at Liverpool.
It is verrrrrrrry early days. I'll settle for a top 4 finish, and progress from the CL group stage.
No offence but Moyes taking over at Utd after SAF >>>> task than Hodgson at Liverpool after TFSW
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The hierarchy at Old Trafford seemingly decided that stability in the manager's position was the most important thing.
and I like that. That's one area that United fans have always taken pride in ... can you name any other big club where two managers have spent more than 24 years each? I doubt you'll find one. That's one area where it was easy to mock clubs like Real or Bayern because they change managers as frequently as underwear. Many United fans had never seen another manager at the club than Ferguson, so it was comprehensible that they went for a manager who had a proven track record of successfully managing a club for a long time. I always wanted Moyes to succeed Ferguson and I still feel that way. We'll see if United is too big of a challenge for him, but it's still very early.
It's becoming more and more obvious that this season will be a transitional one. I'm pretty sure that we'll see a number of changes to the squad in January and in the summer, as Moyes continues to figure out the squad he has and decides who does have a future at United and who doesn't. Patience is key here, which is difficult because United fans are obviously spoiled after the Fergie years. I for myself have never witnessed a United finish outside of the top 3, and I bet that applies to the majority of the supporters. I am perfectly fine with not winning a title this year, as long as a positive trend is noticeable and the necessary squad changes are made.
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Bagor, I agree that stability is important. I don't think many people (other than the severely deluded) expected this to not be difficult. I think big error #1 for Moyes was sacking most of the coaching staff. Not sure if the hearsay about Mr. Ferguson suggesting to him that he not is true at all, but I think it was a dumb move. Of course it's a different situation from Liverpool having Hodgson take over. I'm not comparing the situations as much as I am the managers. When Hodgson took over Liverpool, I didn't believe in the whole "mid-table manager" talk that was going on. I felt that if he's able to overachieve with a Fulham, he could do it with Liverpool as well. I was dead wrong on that. Moyes' tactics are very conservative as well, and I don't believe fit with a squad who should be on the offensive gunning for wins, rather than protecting against losses. Perhaps he will evolve himself, but so far, Moyes' style has been pretty much exactly that.
Devo, I agree that it's a great thing to have that stability. I just think that seeing how incredibly rare that is, you have to realize that it's the exception, not the rule. When the idea of stability and quality can't be had together in the managerial position, I think quality should be chosen.
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Bagor, I agree that stability is important. I don't think many people (other than the severely deluded) expected this to not be difficult. I think big error #1 for Moyes was sacking most of the coaching staff. Not sure if the hearsay about Mr. Ferguson suggesting to him that he not is true at all, but I think it was a dumb move.
And I can't disagree with that. Given the magnitude of the transition it would appear to make sense to make it as gradual as possible and ease in his own team whilst leaning on the established team for help during the initial transition. I get that he had his own team but have a problem accepting that he couldn't at least give the old guard a chance.
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When the idea of stability and quality can't be had together in the managerial position, I think quality should be chosen.
This I don't agree with. I was in the don't want Mourinho to succeed Fergie camp. As good a manager as he is, he is a short term destabilising journeyman.
Knock United all you want for expenditure but the meat and potatoes of their glory days under SAF came from the academy. A byproduct of stability.
And ... it's worth mentioning that David Gill left a huge void too. Transitional times ....
And there you have it. Proof in just how .... in a couple of games, in the space of ten days, a player's career can plummet dramatically.
From being the absolute best in the world in their position to being a past it pretender.
hahaha awesome! Reminds me of when Locke was on one of his periods of obsession with Vidic and how he was so terrible and one of the most over rated players in the World, only for Vidic to, just months later be named: the EPL player of the season, the Players' player of the season, and named to the EPL Team of the year and FIFA World XI team. Top notch analysis all around.
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hahaha awesome! Reminds me of when Locke was on one of his periods of obsession with Vidic and how he was so terrible and one of the most over rated players in the World, only for Vidic to, just months later be named: the EPL player of the season, the Players' player of the season, and named to the EPL Team of the year and FIFA World XI team. Top notch analysis all around.
I dont remember that, maybe I did. You either have an amazing memory or an unhealthy fixation with me.
Maybe one day when you post something that wasnt spurted directly from SAF into the back of your throat I'll remember something original you had to say.
That day is coming, just keep hanging in there.
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hahaha awesome! Reminds me of when Locke was on one of his periods of obsession with Vidic and how he was so terrible and one of the most over rated players in the World, only for Vidic to, just months later be named: the EPL player of the season, the Players' player of the season, and named to the EPL Team of the year and FIFA World XI team. Top notch analysis all around.
Wait you mean a bunch of guys posting on a hockey forum are supposed to provide top notch analysis of soccer players now??
You United fans have such a complex, it's really rather hilarious.
^Pagal, there's analysis and there's way out there in left field analysis random comments which can be either attributed to (a) obvious trolling, (b) absolute cluelessnes or (c) reading too much RAWK and regurgitating it here. Yeah, it's a hockey forum but we can be expected to have some sort of standard.
I fail to see how pointing out idiotic comments can be construed as having a complex. It simply ... pointing out how undebatably idiotic the comments were.
Anyways ........ Poor Suarez, next he's going to be targeted by the South American media ... for being South American. PL refs will have noted that nothing has changed.
