[News] Cammalleri not "scared" of a rebuild

[BruceCody]

Originally Posted by Sec218

The next Captain?

of course. trade to deadline

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Then after the deadline we try to deploy something like this:

Cammalleri-Backlund-Jones
Baertschi-Stajan/Monahan-Stempniak
Glencross-Knight-Gaudreau

It gets tricky because we would really want to balance out the lack of size between Cammi, Sven and Johnny hockey. I would still do it though if Cammi wanted to re-sign for a resonable price.

???

Why would we have Stajan & Stempniak after the deadline?


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There are really two questions for me...

A: Is Mike Cammalleri fine with being part of a rebuilding Calgary Flames team?
B: If yes, how much are his intangibles worth (If expressed in terms of Draft Pick currency)?

I say his intangibles because ultimately his tangibles aren't important because his tangibles are not effectively going to contribute to the next competative Flames team. How much he can help guys like Monahan, Sven, and Gaudreau become what we need them to be in the future will. If the answer to "A" is "yes" then I think I wouldn't give anyone the captaincy and I would have small exploratory talks about an extension, if at the deadline the return offered by teams does not exceed "B" then I'd extend him and give him the captaincy.

Ultimately I don't think the proper stars will align for Cammy to stay and I think he'll be dealt at the deadline.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Prospects:
Sven
Johnny
Klimchuck
alll have top 6 potential with Sven as early as this year, Johnny in the next year or 2 and Klimchuck in the next 2-3 years.

Overall I agree but this year in the prospect camp we got to witness Gaudreau show that he can play RW rather well with Monahan. It doesn't really change the fact that there likely isn't room for Cammi to stay in Calgary long term but it does take some pressure off of the LW depth chart.

If Hudler stays I think he should be considered a RW now.

[HartAttack]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Looking at this team on LW moving forward.
Hudler signed for 3 more years
Glenross signed for 2 more years
Both of these guys are top 6 forwards. Hudler would be tougher to move and Glencross appears to be part of the solution and here to stay in management's eyes.

Prospects:
Sven
Johnny
Klimchuck
alll have top 6 potential with Sven as early as this year, Johnny in the next year or 2 and Klimchuck in the next 2-3 years.

I don't see room for Cammy long term. He is one of my favorite Flames, he scores nice goals, and is great in his media interviews. Considering he will be getting lots of opportunity this year and he has been solid in his return to Calgary I would not be surprised to see him on a 30G, 65pt pace at the deadline. He might get the Flames a good prospect or 1st round pick. The Flames should be moving him based on his potential trade value, age, cost on next contract, and most importantly the pipeline is stocked with small skilled LW

I agree that we have lots of good looking prospects in the pipeline, but how many 1st rounders/prospects become perennial 60+ point producers? Especially with the Flames history, I'm not throwing all my eggs into the prospect basket.

We need to keep at least a few top end guys, and with all the comments on here about Cammy's work ethic, professionalism, dedication to the team, etc. I couldn't agree more that he should be our next captain.

What message does it send to the youngsters that may be buying a home and starting a family in Calgary, that the minute you are a top end player expect to be thrown into trade discussions and shipped out of town? Another 1st round pick (from a top team = 25th - 30th overall pick) does nothing but add more risk and uncertainty to the future. You already have a guy who embodies the culture and work ethic you want in your hockey team, why trade him? Build a team that is reflective of it's captain.

Personally, I'd rather trade a guy like Glencross (inconsistent, bad attitude at times/bad penalties at times), or Stempniak (not captain material) if, as an organization we decide that we MUST trade more veterans.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Parallex

???

Why would we have Stajan & Stempniak after the deadline?

I thought I answered that already.

I would ideally have both of them traded at the deadline. If Monahan makes the team out of camp I would start shopping Stajan immediately at the start of the season.

Stempniak I kept simply because he is a bigger and more physical player and he balanced out the size of the line with Sven on the left. If Stempniak is replaced by Hudler or Horak then that line would be pretty young / small / soft. It might work out though since it would be a seriously talented line.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The question is not "why would the team want to get rid of him?", its why would Cammi want to re-sign?.

I don't think there is much chance that he wants to re-sign unless baring a miracle it looks like the flames can make the playoffs in the next 2 years. I don't see that happening.

Feaster said they weren't getting any offers on Cammi around the time of draft. I took it to mean they were putting out feelers to trade him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Explain your reasoning here.

How does keeping Cammalleri and making him captain move our team closer to a Stanley Cup contender than trading him for future assets?

He's a hard worker, he's talented, he seems to show a fair deal of leadership (as much as outsiders can discern). I think he could be a very strong "bridge captain" between now and when one of our younger players are ready to step into the role.

He's also one of my favourite players, so I naturally want him to remain a Flame.

[djsFlames]

Did they have the junior reporter write this article as well?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by HartAttack

I agree that we have lots of good looking prospects in the pipeline, but how many 1st rounders/prospects become perennial 60+ point producers? Especially with the Flames history, I'm not throwing all my eggs into the prospect basket.

We need to keep at least a few top end guys, and with all the comments on here about Cammy's work ethic, professionalism, dedication to the team, etc. I couldn't agree more that he should be our next captain.

What message does it send to the youngsters that may be buying a home and starting a family in Calgary, that the minute you are a top end player expect to be thrown into trade discussions and shipped out of town? Another 1st round pick (from a top team = 25th - 30th overall pick) does nothing but add more risk and uncertainty to the future. You already have a guy who embodies the culture and work ethic you want in your hockey team, why trade him? Build a team that is reflective of it's captain.

Personally, I'd rather trade a guy like Glencross (inconsistent, bad attitude at times/bad penalties at times), or Stempniak (not captain material) if, as an organization we decide that we MUST trade more veterans.

You trade him because more than likely he wants no part on waiting close to 4 years to make it back to the post season. Yes we need veterans, but you can't force them to stay just because you want them to.

Edmonton takes a lot of licks on CP for not having good veterans on their team durring their many rebuilds. They tried to get veterans or keep veterans, but most good quality veterans want nothing to do with a long rebuild.

If Cammi did want to stay ( i highly doubt it) he would want to be paid a lot to forgo playoff years. I would think it would cost close to $6 million a year for him to even consider staying.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Cammi did want to stay ( i highly doubt it) he would want to be paid a lot to forgo playoff years. I would think it would cost close to $6 million a year for him to even consider staying.

That doesn't seem like a very strong statement, as he is making $6 million now.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That doesn't seem like a very strong statement, as he is making $6 million now.

And he is being overpaid for what he brings. If he tests out free agency he will be in the $4-5 million range.

[The Fonz]

Bold prediction:

- Cammalleri, Stempniak, and Stajan, all produce at a +55 point pace leading up to the deadline
- All 3 are traded for 1st round picks
- CGY goes into the draft with the 3rd, 21st, 24th, and 28th picks

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

And he is being overpaid for what he brings. If he tests out free agency he will be in the $4-5 million range.

Perhaps. (I am always wary of statements made in the future tense.)

But let's put it that way explicitly: 'For Cammalleri to re-sign here, the Flames will have to overpay him almost as much as they are overpaying him now.' Doesn't sound like that big a deal, does it?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Bold prediction:

- Cammalleri, Stempniak, and Stajan, all produce at a +55 point pace leading up to the deadline
- All 3 are traded for 1st round picks
- CGY goes into the draft with the 3rd, 21st, 24th, and 28th picks

That's bold, all right.

As in, I think maybe you need to stop mainlining bold and go back to smoking it.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's bold, all right.

As in, I think maybe you need to stop mainlining bold and go back to smoking it.

Stajan was the only one who never produced at a 55+ pace last year out of the 3 I named. He was 43.

I'd be happy with a 2nd rounder for Stajan.

[Jay Random]

Oh, that's not the only problem I have with your dose of bold.

For one thing, if Cammalleri, Stempniak, and Stajan all produce at that pace, the Flames may find it rather tough to finish with the #3 pick overall. That would require either (a) nobody else on the team scoring worth beans, or (b) some truly mind-blowing defensive suckage. Either of those things could happen, of course, but to count on them? That's bold, all right.

For another, I don't see either Stempniak or Stajan fetching a 1st-round pick as rental players, no matter how much they produce this season. Especially if they are part of a team that craps the bed defensively so much that it finishes 28th or 29th.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

For one thing, if Cammalleri, Stempniak, and Stajan all produce at that pace, the Flames may find it rather tough to finish with the #3 pick overall. That would require either (a) nobody else on the team scoring worth beans, or (b) some truly mind-blowing defensive suckage. Either of those things could happen, of course, but to count on them? That's bold, all right.

For another, I don't see either Stempniak or Stajan fetching a 1st-round pick as rental players, no matter how much they produce this season. Especially if they are part of a team that craps the bed defensively so much that it finishes 28th or 29th.

I'm aware it's unlikely, it's just nice to think about.

You're 1st paragraph though... are you forgetting about the season we just witnessed? Not only did they produce at that pace, but we also had Iginla, Bouwmeester, and Kiprusoff on the roster. We finished with exactly 1 win, 2 pts more, than the team holding the 3rd overall draft spot.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I'm aware it's unlikely, it's just nice to think about.

You're 1st paragraph though... are you forgetting about the season we just witnessed? Not only did they produce at that pace, but we also had Iginla, Bouwmeester, and Kiprusoff on the roster. We finished with exactly 1 win, 2 pts more, than the team holding the 3rd overall draft spot.

True, but Kiprusoff had the worst season of his career by far. In fact, Kiprusoff had the worst GAA and worst SV% on the team, and the team had the second-worst save percentage in the NHL — just a hair ahead of Florida. The only goaltender returning from last season is MacDonald, who also had the best stats of the lot.

If either Ramo or Berra can improve on a 3.39 GAA and .884 SV% (the collective numbers for all Flames goalies not named MacDonald), that will be an improvement. For the team to get worse, they would *both* have to fall short of that very low standard. And if Ramo and Berra do both crap the bed, I would fully expect the team to go out and sign or trade for another goalie. Goodness knows there are plenty of replacement goalies on the market.

As for Iginla, he scored only 9 goals before being traded, and was, I believe, generally viewed as a defensive liability. I hate to say it about the man, but trading him, at that point, may have been addition by subtraction.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Did they have the junior reporter write this article as well?

It's a Google translation from a French website...

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

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As for Iginla, he scored only 9 goals before being traded, and was, I believe, generally viewed as a defensive liability. I hate to say it about the man, but trading him, at that point, may have been addition by subtraction.

Yeah, got to agree with that.
Iginla has been a liability for a while.
His refusal to play in D-zone set bad example for the rest of the team.
Country Club atmosphere started with Iginla.
Sort of inmates running the asylum.

Rhett Warrener was right.