[News] Cammalleri not "scared" of a rebuild

[FBI]

I wonder if Cammy might be taking the wait and see approach here. Play this season and see how bad we are and if there is any potential for the Flames.. If by the trade deadline he doesn't see much, he'll probably request a trade and hope we can get a 1st.

If he sees some magic though, he might want to be the veteran presence part of it.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Unfortunate really, if there would be anyone on the Flames roster that would be an ideal mentor/role model for Gaudreau it'd be Cammy (in terms of teaching how to get by as a small guy in the NHL, how to adapt a healthy athlete diet, and how to workout like a demon).

... Damnit, Note to Self: Stop talking yourself into wanting to keep Cammy around.

I did the same thing when I saw this thread and deleted what I was writing because it doesn't make sense to both want to keep Cammalleri on the team and want to trade him for yet another first rounder. I think he would be a great captain to bridge the gap between now and when Monahan or whomever is ready to step up and take charge of the post-rebuild team.

The problem I see is that if we keep Cammi, then we need to look at shipping out some other veteran forwards to make room for rookies.

Then after the deadline we try to deploy something like this:

Cammalleri-Backlund-Jones
Baertschi-Stajan/Monahan-Stempniak
Glencross-Knight-Gaudreau

It gets tricky because we would really want to balance out the lack of size between Cammi, Sven and Johnny hockey. I would still do it though if Cammi wanted to re-sign for a resonable price.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I did the same thing when I saw this thread and deleted what I was writing because it doesn't make sense to both want to keep Cammalleri on the team and want to trade him for yet another first rounder. I think he would be a great captain to bridge the gap between now and when Monahan or whomever is ready to step up and take charge of the post-rebuild team.

The problem I see is that if we keep Cammi, then we need to look at shipping out some other veteran forwards to make room for rookies.

Then after the deadline we try to deploy something like this:

Cammalleri-Backlund-Jones
Baertschi-Stajan/Monahan-Stempniak
Glencross-Knight-Gaudreau

It gets tricky because we would really want to balance out the lack of size between Cammi, Sven and Johnny hockey. I would still do it though if Cammi wanted to re-sign for a resonable price.

If we do decide to hold onto Cammalleri, I can't see how we let the deadline pass without dealing Stajan and Stempniak. If they're having respectable seasons to that point, those are two 2nd round picks we can grab from contending teams.

[You Need a Thneed]

Why would he be scared of a rebuild, when it's 95% certain that he won't be playing for the Flames at the end of the year?

[dustygoon]

Why would the team want to get rid of him? Not a relic, has had a few down years and is streaky, but the guy is talented. More importantly, he seems like a solid pro (keeps himself in shape, takes the job seriously) and has a positive attitude, seems outgoing, has leadership qualities, bla bla. Overall, he is a good influence over younger guys.

[Tinordi]

Hopefully he plays well so we can trade him for something. I'll be very disappointed if we keep him past the deadline this year.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Itse

The only part I'd criticize is this. Contenders are all about the now, so they care less about age. They are also usually are very interested in players with playoff experience and players who bring "intangibles" and "veteran presence".

Contenders don't care about age when they're dealing with a star player, but not an aging player whose production is that of an average 2nd line player. I was specifically talking about a few years down the line when Cammy is aging and in decline but still capable of scoring 20+ goals and therefore can still command decent money. But by then Cammy may be a veteran with playoff experience but he won't be a veteran with a Cup ring. The market for aging, undersized 20+ goal scorers who don't play exceptional defense is quite limited. That's why most of these guys don't sign with contenders. Look at Iginla. The lower cap might be a reason, but I don't think there were that many teams willing to pay market value for Iginla.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If we do decide to hold onto Cammalleri, I can't see how we let the deadline pass without dealing Stajan and Stempniak. If they're having respectable seasons to that point, those are two 2nd round picks we can grab from contending teams.

I agree, originally I wrote down that those two (and Hudler) should be traded. After thinking about it, I felt that Stajan can only really be traded if Monahan makes the team. Stempniak can definitely be traded but it makes a hole on the RW that would be hard to fill while balancing out the small LWers we have.

Ideally I would like to see this after the deadline (keeping Cammi just for the sake of the thread)

Cammalleri-Backlund-Jones
Glencross-Monahan-Gaudreau
Baertschi-Knight-Horak

If Cammi gets traded, then it is likely that Hudler would stay on the team and be in that spot instead.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Hopefully he plays well so we can trade him for something. I'll be very disappointed if we keep him past the deadline this year.

Ditto, but if he posts similar numbers to last year he'll project out to about 24-25 goal 60 point forward.

Plus with him being a point a game guy in the playoffs the value is definitely there.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by FAN

Contenders don't care about age when they're dealing with a star player, but not an aging player whose production is that of an average 2nd line player. I was specifically talking about a few years down the line when Cammy is aging and in decline but still capable of scoring 20+ goals and therefore can still command decent money. But by then Cammy may be a veteran with playoff experience but he won't be a veteran with a Cup ring. The market for aging, undersized 20+ goal scorers who don't play exceptional defense is quite limited. That's why most of these guys don't sign with contenders. Look at Iginla. The lower cap might be a reason, but I don't think there were that many teams willing to pay market value for Iginla.

Well, most guys don't sign with contenders, period.

However, I can see Cammalleri raising interest as a depth trade during trade deadline for some years still. As a UFA signing not that much. So depends a lot on what we're talking about; his chances of ending up with a contender, or his chances of signing up with a contender as a UFA.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Why would the team want to get rid of him? Not a relic, has had a few down years and is streaky, but the guy is talented. More importantly, he seems like a solid pro (keeps himself in shape, takes the job seriously) and has a positive attitude, seems outgoing, has leadership qualities, bla bla. Overall, he is a good influence over younger guys.

Becasue if his production stays at the same level, we can probably gain a first rounder and maybe more for him? His contract is expiring anyway?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If we do decide to hold onto Cammalleri, I can't see how we let the deadline pass without dealing Stajan and Stempniak. If they're having respectable seasons to that point, those are two 2nd round picks we can grab from contending teams.

Out of the 3, the only player i see Calgary thinking about re-signing is Stempniak. Cammi chances are is slim to none, and Stajan chances are none.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Hopefully he plays well so we can trade him for something. I'll be very disappointed if we keep him past the deadline this year.

My first choice would be to see Cammalleri re-signed and given the Captaincy.

If that's not in the cards, I'll gladly welcome the late 1st round pick he'll land us at the deadline.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Why would the team want to get rid of him? Not a relic, has had a few down years and is streaky, but the guy is talented. More importantly, he seems like a solid pro (keeps himself in shape, takes the job seriously) and has a positive attitude, seems outgoing, has leadership qualities, bla bla. Overall, he is a good influence over younger guys.

The question is not "why would the team want to get rid of him?", its why would Cammi want to re-sign?.

I don't think there is much chance that he wants to re-sign unless baring a miracle it looks like the flames can make the playoffs in the next 2 years. I don't see that happening.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Itse

Well, most guys don't sign with contenders, period.

However, I can see Cammalleri raising interest as a depth trade during trade deadline for some years still. As a UFA signing not that much. So depends a lot on what we're talking about; his chances of ending up with a contender, or his chances of signing up with a contender as a UFA.

I can see Cammi being sought after by a number of contending / playoff teams this summer. Who he signs with will depend upon how much money he is looking for and whether those teams have room for him.

I don't see Cammalleri slowing down any time soon and if he can keep his speed he should have at least another 5 years of good hockey in him where he makes his team better by adding him.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

My first choice would be to see Cammalleri re-signed and given the Captaincy.

If that's not in the cards, I'll gladly welcome the late 1st round pick he'll land us at the deadline.

Explain your reasoning here.

How does keeping Cammalleri and making him captain move our team closer to a Stanley Cup contender than trading him for future assets?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I did the same thing when I saw this thread and deleted what I was writing because it doesn't make sense to both want to keep Cammalleri on the team and want to trade him for yet another first rounder. I think he would be a great captain to bridge the gap between now and when Monahan or whomever is ready to step up and take charge of the post-rebuild team.

The problem I see is that if we keep Cammi, then we need to look at shipping out some other veteran forwards to make room for rookies.

Then after the deadline we try to deploy something like this:

Cammalleri-Backlund-Jones
Baertschi-Stajan/Monahan-Stempniak
Glencross-Knight-Gaudreau

It gets tricky because we would really want to balance out the lack of size between Cammi, Sven and Johnny hockey. I would still do it though if Cammi wanted to re-sign for a resonable price.

It is highly unlikely that Gaudreau will see the ice with this years flames team this year. The NCAA tournament starts end of March (around the 28th) with the frozen four scheduled April 10th and 12th. Flames last game is scheduled for April 13th. That really doesn't give him a big enough window to play in Calgary (last pair of home games are April 9th and 11th and late March before that). I think he plays for the Heat if anything. I couldn't find their schedule, but last year their regular season went to April 20th.

[Flames_F.T.W]

As someone already pointed out, even if Calgary was interested in keeping Cammy around for his leadership intangibles, he probably wouldn't feel the same way. He hasn't won a cup yet, so I'm sure at this point in his career that is something he's thinking about. If he already had a cup ring, he might consider staying on a rebuilding team (ala Marty St. Louis in Tampa), but otherwise, I'm sure he wants a chance to win.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

My first choice would be to see Cammalleri re-signed and given the Captaincy.

If that's not in the cards, I'll gladly welcome the late 1st round pick he'll land us at the deadline.

Looking at this team on LW moving forward.
Hudler signed for 3 more years
Glenross signed for 2 more years
Both of these guys are top 6 forwards. Hudler would be tougher to move and Glencross appears to be part of the solution and here to stay in management's eyes.

Prospects:
Sven
Johnny
Klimchuck
alll have top 6 potential with Sven as early as this year, Johnny in the next year or 2 and Klimchuck in the next 2-3 years.

I don't see room for Cammy long term. He is one of my favorite Flames, he scores nice goals, and is great in his media interviews. Considering he will be getting lots of opportunity this year and he has been solid in his return to Calgary I would not be surprised to see him on a 30G, 65pt pace at the deadline. He might get the Flames a good prospect or 1st round pick. The Flames should be moving him based on his potential trade value, age, cost on next contract, and most importantly the pipeline is stocked with small skilled LW

[blankall]

If Cammy was hoping to get traded earlier, he shouldn't have negotiated such a massive contract. He's in another contract year, so he's the statements from him are of no surprise. Whether he actually likes the idea of a rebuild or not, his own contract has given him no choice. No team was going to take on a 6mil contract for any kind of value. The deadline, however, with an expiring contract is another story.

In the end this could work out well for Cammy. They'll be no threats on this team to compete for with PP time, offensive zone starts, etc.... Cammy should be able to rack up some points and then sign a big contract in the off season.

As far as vets go, I'd rather have a guy competing every night (even for at least partially selfish reasons) around the rookies, than a guy like Tanguay, who was floating.

Really hoping Cammy puts up a 30 goal/70ish point season. That should easily bring back a 1st+ for us.